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Earlier this week, famed photographers Chase Jarvis and Joey L. sat together on the set of CreativeLive to discuss the current state of commercial photography. They shared personal experiences and fielded questions from an eager internet audience looking for advice on how to bring their businesses into the limelight.

As he often does, Chase had some very smart advice: Being better isn’t enough. To succeed in any creative field, and especially in photography, you also have to be different.

One of the more inspiring and motivating moments of this hour-long segment was their dialogue about what it takes to be different and successful in commercial photography. You can check out the clip for free here: