Shoot: Painterly Portrait - Sequins
So I'm just going toe pull this down a little bit because it's kind of puffing out we're just going to pull it maybe even even just overtop the other one that way it kind of creates less of a bulge feel okay okay I think I'll even I'm gonna button this up a little bit just try it so let me tell you guys something though this is still fury skirt but I kept it on her just took a while but this this is actually a top from goodwill I've bought this for like a dollar ninety nine or something so this is actually the shot we used with amanda on day two and uh tomorrow during the shoot so I have another little outfit from could well actually not from goodwill from a garage sale and you guys will see okay I can't even button this up there go some disco so we're just going to do a lot what we just did but changing the outfit playing around but no more sorry guys any questions while I'm buttoning it up have anything from anyone what is the beacon set up this next shoot what is the uh what's the d...
ifference from the last one what's the tone that you're going for here you know what this just because of the top it's not it's not such a soft romantic look I'm going to let her feel it try to be a little more you know, aggressive in the photos but there is nothing there isn't really no difference I'm just keeping the light the same and everything else I just thought we would change the clothes and kind of get a different a different look happening a little bit I might I'm gonna you know and take your rate out to I'm just going to do that so that we can yeah I just wanted out of this one up you guys ask you anything task come on anybody we'll get maybe khun talk a little bit about what you're doing with the, uh with the outfit there is itjust you're trying to get that the lines right? Like what do you think that I wanted of deciding what you like? I like it closed I when she came out, I just I thought I like it closed so I'm gonna shoot it that way we could have left it open, but I think it's because of the bottoms that she has on it's just looks a little bit better this way instead of the other way looked a little bit messy or something I don't know preference I guess I'm gonna take a break out too okay, I'm gonna leave it the side one up up here I'm just gonna undo the braid just to kind of change it up so spa beacons around described a couple of these thank you so normally this is like I said a stylus job or you know, the hair girl or whoever but when you don't have that this is how you do it just playing around not really worrying about everything is perfect I just want to see what I'll like good shooting here and jamie craven is wondering whether these two setups that we're doing here with these be subsequent shots in an editorial or are these completely separate shots they're separate shots yeah this doesn't make any sense I wouldn't like if this if I was trying to create a tutorial this wouldn't really flow together from that outfit to this one this's sequence and but this is just like when I talked about the portrait your part when I create portraiture shots usually it's just like that one single shot of looking for so it's not really a story line it's just maybe a story within the photo okay very good I almost wonder if sorry you know what? We're not undo it because I realized with the light over there I just want it going to the other side yeah yeah come over here good that's gonna do it this way and I can't braid like the makeup girl had done so I'm just gonna twist it over and sloppy and that's okay yeah we're gonna do this don't let me get one more pin and then we'll start oh thanks okay okay let's go packo ran to the back chop let's go it's accessible farrago so really have any pants but could we just pull these down like keep the underwear a pie but just pull it down a little tiny bit yeah that looks way better that's better okay was this puffing out too much on her hips? It looked weird good yeah so now you've changed your clothes this is a little bit of a different vibe um you could give me some more attitude we'll still do the portrait your thing but just have more of a like a little bit of aggression in your face for some of the shots instead of worrying about softness like how how we've done the whole time so I'll just let you be more like you know you just like give me some scowls and you know just change your look up around a cz I'm shooting went too high okay so I don't see how that looks good looks nice yeah I cut huh kind of bright actually it's not bad I think I need to change them the white um board a little bit on or losing him beyond the light playing peekaboo uh just a little more on her face yeah let's see how that looks it's good and even yeah, just playing around sort of like um and you know use your hand's a lot too up here and you can kind of like keep pulling up there good, good it's nice yeah so if you guys can see in the photos is kind of changed her whole theat itude is a little bit different it's not a big change but it's a whole different feeling in the images and it wass before we changed her cause before she was being more of like a little fairy princess and now it's just more attitude and yeah that's good I like that even a little bit more sideways to sort of you know, good nice I like that one a lot that was a good shot anyone I know if anything should be a more questions. Okay, we just want to hear what you are thinking tell us as your as you're shooting tell us what you're seeing in these images that you're liking versus not liking. Yeah, why are you wanting to change? Yeah, well, I wanted to change because of the clothing change I didn't want that a whole like what was me and you know I'm you know, in a fairy land I wanted more attitude because of the clothing, you know? I don't know she just this is more of like a dress, your type of top, the hair nothing really changed drastically where she's still all in black but the flowers have been removed, so I think that hole vibe needs to go with it write so now it's like a little different and she's doing really well she's showing me some attitude and like you know, getting a little more um I don't know a little more aggression in the photos I guess how you'd say it so we're just going to keep going and some even like mouth open and just like you know yeah it's good it's good yeah that's really nice shot got a little bit close up nice and I'm just kind of telling her you know she could be more fashion more fashion oriented now so these photos are she's using a lot more like um what's the word more of not attitude but just ah more stiffness in her body and stuff it's not so soft so everything is kind of you know we're doing the same light the same everything but now it's the model it's changing the whole feel right this is why I say with lighting it just doesn't matter like you can use lay for one thing or the next complete totally opposite but it can still work it just depends on how you how you do it good and then I want some even have just sort of like hands near your face like even mulch and more kind of unworthy up and like just yeah give me like a wicked evil eye good, good I like that a lot close your eyes and do that that's nice turn sideways and do the same thing like the way you were and just sort of good yeah and stay like that sideways but more kind of tilt your head a little bit towards me so it's like it's like this you know sort of see how it looks good and then we'll do some straight on again um I wonder if I should well if I want to put that chair in there again but yeah kind of like yeah actually do that do what you were going to do with your hands yeah good. I have had some music playing she probably really get into the vibe but we can't so good yeah even some of that like so some uneven shoulders and stuff just kind of one count good that's nice when I moved back and get some more of her good like that nice look over at me nice close up good eighty far from england is wondering whether you ever have a hard time remaining inspired when shooting against just a neutral background like supposed to in a location there. Is there anything you do to kind of keep your keep yourself fresh when shooting? Yeah just like that? Well yeah like she would have been changed about me like five times by this point but that's that's that's what I do when I'm shooting against backgrounds like this I have quite a lot of changes happening and I mean like in between the shots saw with this we have to kind of stay within the clothing that was chosen but another thing with the backgrounds and sometimes I'll add some fabric to it or you know change the lighting around a little bit sometimes add gels just for the coloring but it's a little different than it is outside waiting outside you could just throw the model anywhere but like a look at this building let's go to that tree and it's it's a lot more you could be a lot more I don't know more creative with things so what this it's a lot of this relies heavily on your model so yep nice that's pretty it's really nice to let again and just sort of good I cut your head off to that again and look like the same polls you just did you'll see it come up I just cut your head off a little bit because charlotte again yeah you know I know what happened there hey eyes down a little bit it's good chin up each other over time yeah that's good hunts nice and yeah that's child's pose um instead of pull your neck back maybe just actually pull it out so your card it was like well elongated a little bit not so much down but just sort of like stretched out like you know like oh oh chicken would come yeah yeah I just kind of pull it out but more down so you like this sort of outside yeah let's try some of those they look good yeah all right um can we do if you know I want to change some of us around here um we could probably can we get one of those boxes I'm just gonna throw it in there and see what it looks like something for her to sit on beside the chair so can we stand it upward instead of flat down yeah let's try some of those just be careful don't like tip over anything and I think now yeah I was going to say just that I wanted more of like don't go too low down because then I lose your whole middle body but just a lot of like yeah, you can even do that leg's relaxed hands in between your legs but doesn't look too you know and then yeah I just kind of sloppy and like you just care free just like whatever yeah that's good we'll bring this that I'm losing your leg there so just stretch it out if you can that one and like out towards me more yeah just like that and that other foot can even be like pointed like even upon its toll this foot just put like kind of pressed out nagel good, good I like that do some of these look back that way towards the tv like you did good good just gonna move us over like and inch again just because it's in the frame yeah, right there. Yeah that's nice hold onto your leg like that that's good idea. See, sometimes the models do their own thing and it's I can't even think of it and they're doing it. So everything else that's nice that stay just like that. But this leg it's kind of scrunching again, so just bend it slightly no, no, pull it back out and just pull it in a tiny bit off heel off the floor! Help like that. So if you guys see with her legs I always want the legs somehow stretched out. I never have the legs completely straight because that looks weird. I always need a little bit of bend in the knee and I also always make sure there's a little bit of bend in the arm when the girls are like this in their arms, like completely straight if they're leaning on it, they're losing their arms shortening it just looks distorted. So try to remember that you can actually stay like that. Don't do what you're doing and put your foot in a little bit upon your toll so it's like perked up analysis some of that good nice that's great like that so this is still considered portraiture but it's all it is it it's our whole body but things like this are still kind of in that genre photography because it's still a portrait of her right but good yeah nice that's nice. I like that and who would be the client for a shot like this? Would you just be shooting this for fine art to sell his individual prince or is this something that you would do with a client who came to you and wanted shots of themselves? Where do you use this sort of shot? Both yeah it's um a lot of times for clients personal clients like you know they want some new I'm images of themselves for their bio or for whatever it is and also for creating prince and fine art so it just depends but a lot of what I do I just repeat it with clients as well. So yeah, if they can, if they're if they're brave enough to do the polls is and things that I asked some we tried anyway I want you to actually the way you were like that seat I want you to do that again because I wanted to do a few more of those like in that frame yeah, just a couple more of those yeah, just kind of good that's nice that looks great that looks really good like that keep your body just like that and tilt your head a little bit towards me so no like chin back down and then just sort of like chinen and eyes on me yet so I know I'm seeing the the stand in the picture and that's fine it doesn't matter I'll just and it I wanna fight you need to but I need this thing close to her so we get that fill light I don't I don't want to much shadow on her face good timing someone had ruled it really just asked that carly june they literally just ask is she gonna edit the leg of the reflector out or which you move it now no I need that's why she needs the light so she let it know what I must have been reading someone's mind okay, good, good that's nice, nice. Yep so we're going to need to keep a leg down somewhere just because it's too um pulled up there yeah keep a leg down you can always you can pull one up if you want but yeah, that looks good. Okay, so where I'm standing her legs or parallel or feet or parallel with each other and that's another thing I yeah I get the models to separate their legs like this I don't when they're beside each other and it's aside we shot you're losing one of the limbs so try to make sure you always see the other one in view good good just a little bit too low so let's keep our body up a little bit more high up you can um actually yeah want to turn a little you know do that stay that way like that and look back at me a little bit you know good like that you look so evil looks twist her body a little bit towards me a little bit just kind of pulled back a little too far you kind of look back at me good and let's tilt your head up even on do that good I like that nice with the other leg I've lost it again so maybe we can keep them I don't know how we can do this some kind of losing that like they're just kind of you know turn away like you were and we'll keep both legs down and you just kind of be like looking back at me again you die just like that chin down a tiny bit unit right there yeah that's pretty couple more back me nice I really like that one up and let's do some may be where you are facing me and we're kind of um just be careful that thing doesn't tip over can you lift your leg up again do what you were doing but facing me instead and just live yeah let's try that yeah that's good that's good with the hand like yeah, keep it like that that's nice. I like that one. And amanda jamie craven is wondering if or how the box will be edited tomorrow post as the color of it totally contrast with everything else in the shot do you agree? Disagree? I disagree. I don't. I like the box I wanted chuck something in there with a little bit of colors, so yeah, I mean, I might I might later on, I might change my mind. And when I look back at the photos and think, well, I want a black the box, so but for right now I kind of like the way it looks, it just looks like she's on a wooden box oh goes with her skin a little bit good, stay like that I'm gonna do a close up of that. I like that shot a lot it's a nice one see how this guy looks so stay like that was going to get a close up of that it's pretty good. So the model she is doing really well, like she's inter vibe here and I'm not really having to tell her a lot she's doing things on her own and then I'm just making little adjustments to maybe something I'm noticing what she's doing really well at posing and so this is why I don't need teo I've slowed down on the direction with her so and usually this was what happens with models they warm up as you go so here's a tip when you're if you're creating an editorial and you want to you know, submit to magazine I would start off with some test shots or the outfit that you like the least and then I saved the best outfit for last because this is like the you know that the production the final production, the end of the show type of thing and the models air really warmed up by this point so put your clothing in an order where you know, you know, at the end it'll be like the best ones but I tend to do that when I'm doing editorial work that's pretty close up that's nice yeah bring it down just a tiny bit that's cute like that we'll see how this looks cute do it again and just kind of maybe your head yeah a little bit sideways yeah yeah that's nice see maybe just like this your chin is more like like that way up on me yeah other way this way so like it's kind of like a lynch in that way little bit eyes on me okay? We're just kind of like yeah, we'll see how that works yeah eyes close yet that's good that's pretty turn sideways and do that to me like the same thing you just did what more sideways yeah good relaxed but open it's good I'm gonna get really close up on it now yeah that's pretty like that you guys wanna have anything? Yeah. Oh ok, so I'm looking to build my portfolio and I want to say it if I set up a shoot what should I allocate you know how many what would you make how many changes makeup change, how many hours would dissipate? It just depends on how fast you and the team are um if you're by yourself usually could work a little quicker if you wantto are you talking about like for an edit creating an editorial yeah used to clothing it really really depends and if you are looking for a specific magazine is which I'll talk about that all tomorrow submitting guidelines um I will talk about how to pay attention to what the magazine is looking for, how to find it and find it fast wasting time all over the web site um normally with editorials the minimum is around four outfits a minimum usually it's five but sometimes magazines there okay with force sometimes magazines they're just new magazines, new independent magazines and they don't even know themselves sometimes, so they're just taking whatever but you don't want it you want to get your work khun more established publications so make sure you look for the guidelines but I'll go over all of that tomorrow howto find out those rules and what you need to do for specific magazine because if you don't lot of times nobody will even pay attention to you that could be the most amazing photos in the world if you try to submit submit them and you're not following the specific rules they're just like back they won't even look at them again it's kind of sad but yeah crystal doing this like I'm sure there's a part where you were probably unsure of like what pose should I do like what's good like just getting the eye for it like where did you go to sort of help you keep in line with making sure that you were like going in the right direction you know, like that elbows you know, like those little nuanced things are it's like you know you notice okay something's off let's adjust you know that makes sense what do you know? Like we're like where do you draw your, um like where you go to to sort of give yourself, um a guideline of whether you're you know, heading in the right direction when you're posing your model and I mean during the shoot itself well, I mean just in general like as you were starting out like what you know what sort of indicated to you whether or not that pose was like your hopes you have the eye you know okay, yeah yeah um explain that right um I think I'm I think I I know what you're asking like maybe people delight look, they are focused on what I'm supposed to be doing is that oh no, I think more just, um like seen examples of other work that actually relate people that you looked too in order to say okay that's the pose I'm looking for or like they don't have them do this because it's awkward you know, I can't know what things air awkward what things are yeah, you know, usually I can catch it in the camera before even take it like I like I said before I have to look sometimes like I see it and then I go like this and I look in the frame and I'm like, well, that doesn't look right at all, so usually I'll just tell her like, you know, when your leg was talked on girl, I'll point out that that looks a little wrong and then even that I don't catch things sometimes like when her hand was closed on dh it's just nothing of a big deal but when I saw it in the frame so it just depends you sometimes I don't know it just depends on what looks right what I feel comfortable and what's working and what's not and a lot of times like it took me a while too start teo like understand the body you know it takes time to, like start learning and understanding all of that stuff like overtime you're you're you progress and you start to change and notice things that you wouldn't have noticed maybe a year ago so all those things like taking those mental notes just helps you through yeah, I think I can answer you, but yeah, you know, you're gonna think especially right at the end because it's just like, I mean, I'm noticing things room just like I wouldn't have thought that looked weird, but no, like in hindsight, it only what since how many things I'm innocent reference to write like somebody else might think like wire like was fine like that, but it's, a lot of it is just your preference stuff, so um, yeah, so I'm goingto let me just pull this back a tiny bit now because your toe is kind of overlapping with it and that anybody else everything just a quick one for folks who can't see the reflector is that white silver? What can we flip the reflector around so people can see it? He's a white foam core is what it is it's great, thank you all right, so I'm just gonna finish up with a few more of these and then I think we're gonna be near the end of this um shoot so yeah let's do a few more of those and just play around okay? That's pretty like that close up began nice good so I'm just letting the model just do our own thing and I'm like it so I'm fine with what she's doing good they're away on you want to look away again like you did just now with the tv on and do that again but eyes over here instead just so I get more of that I have in the white kid that's really pretty a little bit nice that's pretty well do maybe um we'll finish up with some standing up once again and then I think we're we're good I got quite a lot out of her so um let's we'll just move this guy out um can I do you want to play with the tool? You want to try that? Like how you were playing with the skirt and said, well, play with the tool around your face just throw on something in there randomly it's pretty so you can like be free to just do whatever okay let's play around yeah, we could do that we could do that that's good, yeah, well, let him toss it and you he'll toss it and you just kind of play around and I'll count to three and when I that I have to do it that way so he knows when to toss the fabric um and you just kind of being your polls so these don't always work okay just like the hair flips I don't always work so never know yes let me just okay one two three yeah that's pretty it's a little dark I gotta yeah okay yeah let's try it all right okay one two three that's pretty good okay can you discover just one inch that way no not too far go back and just slide over to the right there yeah good day one two three that's pretty they went out of frame I'm gonna get a little closer okay we'll do it just the portrait of it here ok one two three yeah that's really pretty I cut her feet off but that's okay that's pretty like that that's a pretty pretty as a couple for a one to I did it too late I after I snapped I saw the shot like it was like slow motion or something it was so weird huh but papa that's actually cute shot though but it was just right after I took it that I saw happen okay one too good that's really cute so when you're bringing your arms up like watching here I'll lose I lose from framing around you so we've got to keep our arms like not so high up it's because of where the backdrop is um we'll do some like serious shots now very like diva attitude when you're with the throw or not you know you're going to keep throwing yeah but with her I just don't bring your arms up to two high and maybe just kind of like I don't know you could just play around your face and stuff so go back to cinch their camp okay one wait one two three nice that was really nice actually can crop the feeling that looks anyone wanna ask me anything that's really cute like that is awesome you really like that I like angela boarding in the chat room is like I'm gonna be throwing tool around tonight I don't think she's the only one I know okay one two three nice that looked really nice she's it seems like she's moving quite a bit are you focused locking her and and then letting her move is that affecting your picture at all no because strolled freezes it the light kind of freezes it so I focus on her and I when I say three she she moves into her whatever she's doing I'm trying to catch mid movement anyways ok yeah so yes oh I see like devil we'll see yeah I don't know if you were using like a tracking or if you're using the the may I focus. Which would focus one point. And then she would move if she moved toward you. Because no, no, no, I just yeah, the depth of field is on. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Ready? One, two, three. Nice. Uh, cia. Mr began. Just was just right after that. Let's, try that again. Do what you just said, if you can when we just see the yeah, and then you just went in even closer and you kind of, and then I missed it. Okay? Okay. One, two, three there like that. One more. Steven. Want to kind of bring it over your face somehow, like, just sort of, like, whip it up or I don't know. Yeah, okay. One, two, three. Nice. I missed it. Damn it! Damn it! Damn it! You miss it. Check for. Go. Uh, just a little bit over there. Yeah. Move back to a one two three. Nice. That was a nice one. Like that? A lot.