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Ceremony Critique

Lesson 41 from: Group Mentorship: Grow Your Wedding Photography Business

Susan Stripling

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Lesson Info

41. Ceremony Critique

Lessons

Class Trailer

Day 1

1

Mentorship: Introduction and Overview

20:49
2

Mentorship: Business and Marketing

30:42
3

Mentorship: Shooting & Post Production

15:21
4

Social Media Marketing

13:07
5

Google Analytics

29:16
6

Targeting Your Market with Social Media

25:54
7

Social Media Marketing Q&A

10:21
8

Common Issues and Problems

20:01
9

Student Questions and Critique Part 1

26:18
10

Student Questions and Critique Part 2

20:41

Day 2

11

Month 1, Week 1 (Sept 8-14) - Assignment Video

10:28
12

Month 1, Week 1 (Sept 8-14) - Feedback & Weekly Review

53:10
13

Month 1, Week 2 (Sept 15-21) - Assignment Video

09:43
14

Month 1, Week 2 (Sept 15-21) - Feedback & Weekly Review

43:05
15

Month 1, Week 3 (Sept 22-28) - Assignment Video

07:12
16

Month 1, Week 3 (Sept 22-28) - Feedback & Weekly Review

39:17
17

Month 1, Week 4 (Sept 29-Oct 6) - Assignment Video

06:41

Day 3

18

Office Hours Overview

13:42
19

Name Your Business Review

31:41
20

Where are You Running Your Business Review

09:41
21

Get Set Up Legally Review

16:12
22

Personal and Business Finances Review

26:58
23

Banking and Paying Yourself Review

15:42
24

Pricing Problems and Case Studies

35:12
25

When the World Isn't Perfect Review

23:56
26

Mission Statement and Target Client Review

25:46
27

Shooting: Macro and Getting Ready

17:26
28

Shooting: Portraits of the Bride

14:24
29

Shooting: Formals, Ceremony, and Cocktail Hour

16:30
30

Shooting: Reception and Nighttime Portraits

18:46

Day 4

31

Month 2, Week 1 (Oct 6-12) - Feedback & Weekly Review

57:47
32

Month 2, Week 2 (Oct 13-19) - Feedback & Weekly Review

55:04
33

Month 2, Week 3 (Oct 20-26) - Feedback & Weekly Review

57:13
34

Month 2, Week 4 (Oct 27-Nov 2) - Feedback & Weekly Review

47:48

Day 5

35

Details Critique Part 1

28:49
36

Details Critique Part 2

23:57
37

Getting Ready Critique

29:38
38

Missed Moments Critique

11:44
39

Bride Alone Critique Part 1

12:39
40

Bride Alone Critique Part 2

21:04
41

Ceremony Critique

12:36
42

Wedding Formals Critique

19:18
43

Bride and Groom Formals Critique

24:23
44

Reception Critique

18:33
45

Introductions and Toasts Critique

18:14
46

First Dances and Parent Dances Critique

17:47
47

Reception Party Critique

20:08
48

Night Portraits Critique

15:38
49

Month Three Homework

18:45

Day 6

50

Month 3, Week 1 - "Office Hours" Checkin

43:05
51

Month 3, Week 2 - "Office Hours" Checkin

28:11
52

Month 3, Week 3 - "Office Hours" Checkin

36:06

Day 7

53

Get Organized

30:40
54

Editing Q&A Part 1

28:57
55

Editing Q&A Part 2

32:18
56

Editing Critique Part 1

33:32
57

Editing Critique Part 2

31:48
58

Editing Critique Part 3

28:43
59

Editing Critique Part 4

29:33
60

Editing Critique Part 5

21:51
61

Final Image Critique

36:28
62

Album Design and Final Q&A

21:57

Lesson Info

Ceremony Critique

now ceremony is an interesting category. We had a lot like a lot of absolutely nailed it moments, doing the best that you can with really, really difficult situations. And we all know that ceremonies air tough because ceremonies are God, that's great ceremonies. Oh my God, that's great, huh? Ceremonies are when you have the least amount of control during the day. You can't control the lighting. You can't control where they're standing. Sometimes it is really bad, and there's nothing that you can dio to make it any different. So what a lot of people sent in with their ceremony pictures were What could I have done to make the light better? And what could I have done to make my angle better? And what should I have put in some off camera flash guys with a ceremony? Sometimes all you can do is all you can dio, and there are a lot of wonderful caught moments that is beautiful. I hate whoever made this because I didn't make it. That's like perfect, beautiful, wonderful found moments, wonderfu...

l handling of incredibly difficult light. You've got dark skinned people with massive backlight, and you handled it beautifully. Well done, I don't know how you got to stay on there, but I am jealous. Beautiful, beautiful. I mean, the ceremony. People really brought it. That's really hard and really well done. Awesome. Awesome. The theme is generally awesome. Nice capture of moments. That's great. That's gorgeous. That's phenomenal. That is hard and really well handled. That's like cheating because they're standing in exactly the right location, and that never happens. Perfect. Beautiful. Yep. Yep. That is a really excellent symmetrical composition on a really tough scenario. Gorgeous. Yep. Amazing. Amazing. That is amazing. Yep. I mean, as you can see, there were a lot of really well caught moments, really well composed scenes. That's fantastic, you know, in this person since this in and said, What could I have done to make this better? Nothing. It just is what it is. You know, it's a person lighting a candle and doing the rings during a ceremony in a location where you probably couldn't have added on any flash. It all on were limited and where you could stand What? What else could you have done? Nothing. This is fine. This is tough and this is good. That's good. That's amazing. Yep. Yep. You know, there were a lot of really wonderful found moments. Found situations. Listen, dude, it's dappled light. What can you do about that? Nothing. You shoot it just like that. It is what it is. You know, you have no control over this whatsoever. You can go to every single angle as best you possibly can, and it's still tough. I mean, you're literally set up to fail there. Look at that backlighting, and you're still doing it. That's amazing. Yep, yep. Says great. That is great. That is great. That is great. This is great. You can see a theme here. That's fantastic. That is beautiful. Yes. There were so many ceremony images that were sent in with fantastically captured moments. That's a hard situation. And that's gorgeous. That's great. That's very innovative. Yep. God, that's hard light. That's cheating thing. This is the part of the day where they were. The photographer really has absolutely no control control. Right? Can you generally can't light it? You're usually limited where you can stand. The venues generally universally look absolutely awful. Like what you gonna dio? All you can do is the best that you can. So that said, there were a few things compositionally that could have made some really nice images. Even better, For example, you know, losing the chairs in the bottom left. That's where my my goes first. Is that white here in the bottom, left zooming in a little closer because you've got a really great moment of the groom putting the bride's ring on. But then you have a woman in the back that looks like she's biting her nails, you know, adjusting your composition. So you lose the guy on the right because he's really distracting. Zooming in closer, closer, closer, losing that head room, you know, great moment of the women coming down the aisle. But the out of focus girl on the right pulls focus away from the really great moment. So a tighter crop, either in camera or in post you know there's There's just a lot going on here compositionally, and it's just a little bit too much. It's a little too distracting back up a little bit, you know, you've got a really nice moment going on. Take two steps back, show a little bit more of the seen less of a crash. Zoom on the people and you'll be doing great the head space thing again. Dope heads based thing again as we're seeing a universal trend of headspace headspace. You know, I I understand what you're trying to do here, but it just doesn't work because the light on the bride is so strong that you're doing this wide angle focus on this thing in front of her. But it just ends up being confusing back up just a little bit, a little bit too close. You know, it's I don't know what's happening here because you can't even see the groom. But you've got all of this space over onto the left, like if you had just angled it a few more inches over to the right. You know, I get what's going on here, but you lose the, um, use the focus on the actual scene. Ah, little crop down from the bottom would have really helped headspace. You know, there's just there's a little too much going on. I get that you're going for the reflection in the ground, but it doesn't really work. And then all of the things going on over to the left or just distracting and they don't help push your eye over to the subject a little bit too close Headspace back up a little bit more. You know what? You're at 163 millimeters, but it still has the look of a wide angle because people are cropped off the sides. You've gotta back up a little bit and back up a little bit. Be careful. I know you're shooting a 35. That was probably your only choice here. But the red hair of the woman on the right and all of the people's backs on the right, It just takes a long time for my eye to find the subject headspace, Headspace. You know, it's just takes me a few minutes to find what I'm looking at. You guys in your head space you're killing me. But honestly, I find that head space is a very common photographer problem. As you sort of put your focal point in the middle, you end up with a little extraneous space at the top, you know, great moment on these people's faces, but the people to the right there so bright, you know, it takes me a second to find the subject headspace. You know, you've got the groom, you've got the best man. And then you cut the other guy off in the middle, either including or don't include him at all. Cropped off people on the sides headspace. You know, I can't even see the bridegroom because they're covered by the person standing in front of them to close headspace Heads base, you know, kind of a universal theme. Headspace, headspace tilt when there does not need to be a tilt guy on the right, The suit coming in, you know, just a simple crop. Get rid of this guy over here, and then you're I go straight to this great moment headspace. You know, this is an instance where it's a little bit too much, getting a little bit closer. The distortion of the lin sort of won't sit out a little bit. You got to be careful when you're shooting a super wide angle lens because you start getting these people included in the sides of the frame that aren't helping tell the story and they start to get a little distorted headspace too much for space. You know, this person said, how do I know how could I have gotten in more on it. You get in more on it like you've just got to get yourself in there. And I noticed that with a lot of Indian weddings, sometimes you gotta throw some elbows right. Like you just have to get yourself into the scene. They know you're the photographer. They know you're there to shoot. You know, these two women that are standing in front of you get in between them a little bit and dropped down a little bit. You know, there is a killer moment going on here, but it's crops so loosely it takes me a second to find it. Wide angle, vertical killer moment. They're kind of I mean, it's not really a wide angle vertical, but the the the vantage point of the photographer being up high and looking down. It takes a second to get to the moment. If you had been down on the ground on the little boy's level, it would have been more powerful headspace, headspace, headspace. Move over to the left a little bit. You've got this guy on the right and this other guy cropped off on the right that aren't helping. Told the story, but you've almost got the bride's dad cropped off, you know, just too much faith. Tighter crop. You know, I understand that for things like this, you're going for the reflection on the ground. But the reflection on the ground is not helping, and it's not clear enough. Headspace, headspace. You know, some of the crops were just a little bit too loose, cropping just a little bit tighter. And then your eye goes to the moment a little tighter, a little too tight. You know, it's it's it's tough here. You've got videographers on either side. Crop him out. Some of the problems were coming from Lynn selection, right? And some of it is is settings in general. Um, but, you know, sometimes all you can do is the best that you can dio. If you have a 75 if you're shooting at 75 millimeters, I'm guessing that was 24 to 70. If you trotted it to eight, it might have helped eliminate your distracting back your background just a little bit. It would've been a little bit less distracting. You know, it's tough. This is what are you going to do, right? Like it would have been nicer. I believe if you could have gotten further back, you know, instead of being right up on top of them, maybe you could maybe you couldn't. But if you had more, I'll space. You know, another 10 feet back would have really helped the scene. You know, just tighter crop, just a little bit of a tighter crop. And either at 78 millimeters, I'm guessing it's a 24 to 70 or 72 200. Zoom in a little bit more, you know, get in a little bit closer. And then sometimes it's just again, just missing the moment. Great catch. Not a moment. You know, there's nothing happening here. It's it's faces smushed together, and she's got a great expression on her face. His eyes were closed and her either half closed, and you can even see her face right, like you can't see her face through the veil and you can't see their faces, but they're the ones that are in focus. But the minister, who has an actual facial expression, he's not the one and focus, and it's, you know, I shoot these things too, right? Like grab shots of people watching, but I try to wait until they're actually emoting in some way. Otherwise, it's just a really nice picture of a bridesmaid standing there. You know what's happening here. I'm not sure they look bad, right? Like and and I'm not sure what's what's going on. If it's a portrait, which it might be, they're not all looking at you and they're not in focus. But if it's a photo journalistic moment, there's not a moment. You know, I don't know what's happening here, right? Like there's a cross on the wall, but it's not a full cross, and then you can't really see your hands. I'm not really sure what's going on. It just doesn't work.

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Ratings and Reviews

a Creativelive Student
 

A couple years ago I attended WPPI and sat in on Susan's class. Out of all the classes I sat in on that year her's was in the top 2 for actual information and not just fluffy feel good hype. So I figured her Group Mentorship course would be a good one and it definitely has! A bit of background on me, I've been running my own wedding photography business for the last 6 years, 5 of those full time. I've taken tons of business courses and have circled back around to taking more classes to improve my craft. Susan's class focuses on both business and improving your craft. The big warning I have for this class is that there is a lot of homework, A LOT!!! But that is not a bad thing at all. I was swamped with weddings as the class started and was late to get to my homework but I'm so glad I didn't skip it because there was a lot of things I learned about my business just in answering her questions. I believe there were homework assignments every single day and while some are quick others will take awhile. So my recommendation is to take this course in your off season and use that down time to really concentrate on doing the homework and putting together questions to ask during the weekly chats. I was not able to do that as much as I wanted because of my schedule and I feel I did myself a disservice by not taking full advantage of what was offered. As another reviewer stated there were a lot of basic questions that were asked like how to get proper exposure in an image, etc. If you aren't sure how to do that then this class is not for you. I believe this class is geared towards those who are past the portfolio building stage and are looking to set their business up for success on the back end while improving their craft. Remember to ask questions, keep a notebook and write them down while doing your homework. Don't focus so much on what she uses for everything but why she uses it, if you understand the why you can apply that better to your business vs just the what. Again I would say to properly allocate time to take this class, treat it like a college class with weekly homework and study required. Don't buy it to watch later as you will lose out on most of what this class is about which is access to Susan for questions and feedback. Do the homework, I found the questions she asked us to answer led to a lot of revelations for myself in my business. Her questions led me to ask my own questions and review a lot of historical data for my business to get a better grasp on where I am. Luckily for me I'm doing way better then I thought ;)! Also I recommend for image critique to not just submit your best images, while we all like a pat on the back that won't make you better. She requested a mix of your best and areas of struggle. The images I submitted that I was struggling with are the ones where her advice will improve my craft.

Carissa
 

Susan, simply amazing photographer, amazing woman, amazing business woman! If you want your but kicked then this the course for you! A kick start for your 'business', awesome .. honest .... brutal.... critique.... don't take it personally.This is a course for beginners and for those been in business for 4 + years. I have been in business for 4 years and this helped me seriously start from the beginning again on the business side of things and fine tune my processes. I learnt so much.... but was also great to know I was on the right track. For those beginning - oh I wish I had this as a guide 4 years ago!!! Enjoy! worth every penny! cheers Carissa www.capture-t-moment.com

a Creativelive Student
 

I found this course helpful - but I also did all (well most) of the homework and I think to get the most out of this class you really need to be prepared to do the homework - which does require a reasonable time commitment. I found the business information (month 1) invaluable, and Susan was very, very active in the Facebook group, constantly answering our questions, which was great. Month 2 was a big image critique and I also found this very helpful. Month 3 was about editing and it was also a critique, which was helpful as well. Susan, Sandra (her assistant), Jen (her post production person) and CL worked very hard for us so we could get the best out of this course and I really feel I did get the most out of it that I could have gotten out of it. It is definitely worth it if you are willing to do the work. All of my questions were answered and I feel like my work is going to improve for the better now. If CL run any more mentorships such as this one, I would highly recommend them as I found I learned a lot more than in a regular class - because of the homework and the feedback (direct from Susan) on the homework. I am so glad that she was honest about my images because now I am seeing them in a new light (no pun intended).

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