Keeping Yourself on Track
Let's first start here in the studio and then we can go online big takeaway with story square and it was such a simple concept you know teo teo create that elevator pitch um you know and I personally have a lot of experience in a lot of things even business wise but I never had a really good elevator pitch and so you know, I wrote on my notes this is gold so awesome. Well, yeah, I was learned like I've always believed in the power of community but I think it was really solidified yesterday when everyone online was like supporting me and then I got like a ton of e mails and tweets yesterday saying like thank you for sharing your story like it means a lot and I think that was just like solidified my belief that like we are all connected and maybe you want to share earlier what you yeah deals mom, you told me it was like, hey, this might be weird on deals mom for you no, I think that was really cool for me as well is seeing all those tweets for ash and yeah, I think that the learnings wer...
e the square that was phenomenal for me as well um getting an elevator pitch down like everyone should have that for an interview for just life um yeah, I was really valuable what I thought was so cool about the elevator pitches to was like, you know, you think of its this going to be this really challenging thing to do but dale, you broke it down into the steps by steps of how to get there and then you guys did it live it was just I was really cool and I really like the metal learning concepts that lease introduced it's something I'm going to start a soon as I get back home awesome do we have feedback coming in from the entrance and turn it on and that I got to say that alex his presentation on the game come on the coding game that he had blew me away not just the game that he created but the history that he provided all of us with what we all were like geeking out online about it man said that that was really fantastic I don't think I have geeked out that much and been proud of you were like we're going todo building game now it was just it was that was fascinating really wass and lisa yesterday was was amazing brilliant as well so we have people coming in starling starling saying misfits being a misfit is an advantage like that kelly j says my big takeaway from lisa's talk about metal learning so powerful toe work from where my strengths are and honoring the ways that I learned best I also love the smart goals so tangible and someone a kind of talking more about alex talking about how creative live and is in many ways like a hacker space where we're providing you though there's a great content free into communities like its own little hacker space because you're getting on the's goods and we have a little hat on on the chat right now it's awesome I love that that's when oh that's fashion tv gave me I love it uh we have ahmed mba says mentors I always thought that you could only self educate yourself from books I never thought about finding a riel mentor that's wonderful that's what could be really life changing? Yeah, a lot of awesome takeaways awesome. Yeah. So before we before we jump into self motivation and personal advisory boards and some neuroscience of learning stuff I don't have any other questions that we want to go over should we jump? And what does the j and yeah what's your real name jasper maybe you can dale you could give us a little a little preview of thie the full day way have a really special pale going on today I loved to tease that so people know what's going on yeah after a first break alan cory is going fasting story is going to join us to talk about hacking the job search and how to get a job if you don't have formal credentials to your name, which I think is something that will be really interesting and valuable and important, tio a lot of people here, both in studio and you are watching live and then there's that this afternoon we've got a panel about the future of education with some people who have a lot of experience in this space, so I will be great tio, great to get some different perspectives from from the business world, from inside schools, for people who have built startups, um, about what they think the future is going to look like in a world where education is changing more rapidly than institutions count. One of the things that he will most often asked me is how do you stay motivated outside of school and it's a it's a reasonable question, mostly because, you know, we've spent twelve to sixteen years being inside the system or someone's been telling us what to do and giving us assignments, and we've never really had to take the initiative to think for ourselves and go out and make those own decisions of how we're going to learn what we're going to learn, how we're going to evaluate ourselves, what the metrics are going to be, and so taking that first step can be can be big and scary. And can be worrisome if you're going to be, if you're going to go out on your own, you need to be confident that you're going to be ableto to keep yourself on track and follow through with what you're learning there. There's three things that I'm going to talk about today um, actually, before I do that, what are some strategies that you guys employ to keep yourself moderated outside of school challenge in front of me? I you know, that's actually, my motivation is kind of the challenge and cnn through to completion, okay, to use, like, like, the knowledge of wanting wanting to prove that you can do something? Uh, yeah, I mean, or somebody throws it out, you know? I mean, can you do that? You can't do this or you can do this, whatever, you know, and I a framing in my mind as a challenge then, you know, I want to make sure that I get to that goal and, um and see it through cool, actually, yeah, I I do I talk to my friends a lot and tell him about the things that I'm doing and have them check in on me and make sure that I'm actually doing what I should be cool anyone else? Do you keep yourself motivated to do what you need to do? I started to wake up two hours earlier than I used to so that I have two hours of on an uninterrupted time toe work on what I'm trying to study it's one technique that's actually talked about in my book was going to talk to talk about it today but we can jordan did you have anything that, uh used to keep yourself probably without setting goals and does the internet have things that they used to keep themselves motivated when they're not browsing? Run it not just yet, but I got a couple yeah no I'm not the organics a well who says it's similarly I start off small and tell at least one person what I will dio and then starling says, I remember the alternative not learning where I would be if I didn't do this for myself it's interesting one realtor lord nugget says e I tried and find a system that is productive I'm curious to push on you more and say like, what is that? What system is productive for you in susie sunshine? I don't think you heard this one yet looks at the people with her age range that are doing cool things keep her motivated looking at piers visualization is another one um like this from think tank I make a goal that is half of where I want to be and then work towards that completion baby steps cool so I want to talk talk about three main things what is, uh, like pierre advisory boards, they talked about having an advisory board with mentors and people who are who are out beyond you, but it could be really important to have and advisory board of people who are your peers and a much closer level. The second is pierre accountability and then person or in plans a freakin get to a little bit later, I think it's it's really easy to forget the power of your peers, and we talked a little bit about this with with respect to age. The other day, I recall if one of questions from online is that it's easy to assume that people who who know mohr are people who are way out beyond ahead of you, right people who are experts in their fields, who are well known, who are the visionaries and leading lights, and that industry and oftentimes it's the people who who are just a couple steps ahead of you who are actually able to teach you or help you better, because there they have learned what you're learning and more recent memory. Maybe they're more likely to know what pitfalls are that they had as opposed to someone who has a phd, and it is going to forget the tips and tricks of how to teach the basics of a subject, so I wasn't as an in school or I had a lot of these sort of like personal personal learning groups where we got together with people who are different, who are who are working around the same topic but weren't exactly in the same place. So we had we had a history group that function like this. We had a math group, we had an english group, and everyone was working on the same subject, and then once a week, we all get together. Um, and everyone would would bring their work and would work together for two or three hours, usually in someone's living room, and it worked because people were able to help each other out. People who are more advanced help those who are less advanced and so on and so forth and that they were usually like three or four levels so that everyone got a chance to both be be mentored by someone who is more advanced and be a mentee by someone else. Um, and that that that was really effective because it was it was a really striking example of, um, of what alex was saying yesterday about teachers going away, we didn't actually have a need for teachers because everyone was being a teacher and a learner and a student at the same time, and that was all going on in one place for me, um I think that I think that the most basic steps to getting together a personal like a appear learning group is to get someone who's a little bit more advanced in the same domain on with someone who's olive it less advanced in the same domain and then you so that you have a little bit of a spread of possibility so that someone is a little bit out in front of you and someone is a little bit behind you and you can learn from each other as you go through the process of sharing and learning and going forward um I mean this is this is something that I hope that we could see in flint and even in in schools right? Why why we don't see more of this in schools is beyond me obviously teachers can't teach two to twenty or thirty kids would make far more sense to have more of these more of these pure learning groups going on so that people could be within what lisa called the zone of proximal development more often um and and have the right amount of challenge but not so much that they're their way out beyond and lose hope and get get discouraged I'm looking forward to a time when someone actually build a really good online tool to help curate this um no one no one no one has to my knowledge yet on this actually be a good time to talk about to talk about de schooling society because this is sort of one of the functions of of the learning webs that village described that you could have a you have a computer network and you couldn't put your name and address in the activity for for what you saw appear and the computer will would return the name and address of someone who's not appear for the same activity so you could start forming these personal what learning groups and getting people together who are working on the same subject that you could you could support and telling each other as you're going about doing this I know you guys all read some some parts of it and hopefully some people on mine did but what did you think of learning webs and that chapter of alex book um about what was cool is the idea of posting your skills so that people right away know what it is you have the offer and that seems to be the first step in meeting together with someone and knowing what skills you can exchange right if you were going to offer your skills of someone else what what would those hills may the first one? Yeah yeah it would be that I like to prepare or help build presentations of someone struggling with forming an idea and presenting it to someone I like helping with that and also like solving problems and helping gather investment money together and those would be the skills that I would present and then you'd be looking for people to help you learn to code presumably oh yeah yeah, other thoughts on yeah, I just think that that's it it's an interesting concept that it seems so simple that we just don't ever they're going to make friends we don't talk about what we can like really learn an exchange from each other you talk about how we can like get along and how we can have fun together but there's so much more that we can learn from each other I think one of the things that's most interesting about alex focus that it was written in nineteen seventy one which was far before the even the concept of community networking was was invented yet here he was describing it on describing really detailed outlines for products that implemented it and in the same sort of way that someone like mike right of products spec for attack product today just kind of fantastic. Um how do you think it might be you know, be ableto implement that's sort of value or philosophy within your friend actually like could you start having, like, skill exchange dinner parties or something? Yeah, I think it's I mean because when you're in college you have like you have parties and you get together and you I mean, you drink so it's not like people like people like to get together really? What? You're paying something yeah, like you'd like to get it like, get together um and we're kind of like tailoring that and you have to like I think when you introduce an idea like this, you have to make it sound like fun and appealing and, like, almost like gamma phi inouye academic pierpont e totally uh, yeah, I think that just like introducing it into things that people already know and are comfortable with this so like, would be and for sure I mean, I think that would be really powerful. What if we had a whole culture of people who have got together friday nights and got trashed, got together and learned things and shared shared their knowledge with each other? Yeah, coming backto hacker spaces like what alex mentioned yesterday at the one near me there's two guys dan and ronnie and dan knows that a program and ronnie knows howto weld, but they both wanted to learn the opposite. So dance teaching ronnie had a program and vice versa and now they're working together on a project to build those two things together. Awesome. Yeah. Hacker spaces are great examples of those and um alex mentioned yesterday you confined you can find one in your local area at hackers mrs dot org's I should really go check one out there like community centers for learning hacking is a is about growing and teaching and learning and sharing that knowledge in this like perfect place for hacking education to take place. Yeah, we have internets I just want to wade got had a question come in from purse phone who said, how do you find pierre's community when you are trying to learn something new? In my case, I am a technologist trying to teach myself art, so there you go, right? I mean, there there are lots of local are co operatives and why not? Why not go to a bunch of local art openings in your town? Someone's found ask you why you're there and if you say I'm here to learn more about heart, I bet so little say, hey, you want to come stop out of my studio? It's a it's a matter of of making it known, I think what do you guys think? I would agree with making it known? Um, you know, I think about what actually was saying about being in college and you got me drink beer and I'm and I mean, after college, you go out and drink beer too, but but it but you know, when you're doing it, you know, you're having that conversation with your friends and you know and I think you kind of diversify your group of friends, you know, just having that informal conversation about the things that you like to do and, you know, chances are somebody's going to know something about it and, you know, it becomes a great introduction to it, but if you're not having the discussion right, it's never gonna connects, never gonna happen exactly reminds me of a story that I often tell about about a week before I left college, I was I was in the cafeteria and we're just having lunch him someone sat down with everything in my english class, maybe, and it was like asking, asking serious questions about what I was going to do after school is like, you know, are you going toe? We're going live, how we're going to support yourself so on and so forth like, are are you allowed to leave in the middle of a semester is like, well, yeah, it's my life for him, of course I can, um and then with incomplete sincerity asked, asked this question is like, aren't you going to miss the beer and the girls? And I just started cracking up laughing not because that's not a valid thing to be interested in, but but because he didn't realize that those air they're not activities that are limited to college, right uh, you know, you can get drunk and have sex in the real world to those are the only things that happened on a college campus I just wanted tio dishy things one read off a somebody who was commenting on the chapter with and also for people who are just joining us if we could reiterate again where and we dropped the lincoln here but what the that homework wass from thursday? Yeah, we'll start that remind shores the homework was to read chapter six of even alex t schooling society about learning lives in the ways that commuter technology can be applied to education to create networks of people who are degreed and connect network people who are interested in learning the same things cool and there's a there's a link to that they're in the chat room and so organic soil had said, I find it interesting that the chapter de emphasize the need for certification that if you're doing it, you can teach someone else too. Yeah for sure. I think one of the interesting things about um about self directed learning is that if you get to a point where you're where you're your creation is the metric, you not only do away with the need for certification but also with the need for assessment I was at a conference this fall ajay store in new york, which is this big academic publisher and and there was someone in the audience from I think the harvard press it was just how to me like you know, how do you test on schoolers how do you test on scores and is like that's the point you don't have to test them the test is have they built a portfolio? Have they started a business? Have they changed their air stream into a mobile vintage clothing shop like if you've done that you don't need to take a test that proves you could do it if you've done it like it was it was amazing to me for this person that he could not wrap his mind around the concept of being able to prove that you can do something by actually doing it it also makes me think about you talk about pierre accountability and I've been fortunate to live in different places but the most recent in new york city in los angeles and a great place that provides care accountability to me are co working space which I'm sure they have tons of those in san francisco as well it's just that sometimes it's just the mom may not even know who's working diligent diligently next to me it makes me step my game up to the next level whatever I'm working I measure if you work it co working spaces at all what your experience has has been with those yeah, I'm sure we'll talk about it I think we'll continue to hear kind of billion in just a second but wanted to finish up on the on d schooling if there is any other comments on that first any other thoughts about learning labs making connections certification assessments I'd just say you look at the connections you already have you know and like we're just talking about you know, your closest friends find out you know who they know and you know, use those connections first yeah that's gonna be the easiest path did you don't bring up the point that you brought up yesterday morning about motivation I don't remember what it was the way you were talking about you know you are wondering what what percent of the population oh yeah well, the other question that you and I were having off camera yesterday was from that from the chapter uh, you know, it's kind of this idea of kind of a utopian society and you know and if you don't have the constraint of of school than you know how people stay motivated and my question was, you know, I do you need to have school be the motivator for people on you know and you worth saying that that the concept was more that without having that constraint, people would be more self motivated, right? Yeah, I mean definitely definitely lahore on scores would argue that the reason people become become unmotivated is because they've become reliant on having a system on a structure on we can definitely see that in terms of research that's been done around example for example the presence of grades they've done studies where they took uh for one hundred sixty years and divided them into two groups and gave them gave him tana grams the little puzzles that are different geometric shapes to try and melded into different shapes they told half the group that they were going to be graded at half a group that they were just playing a game and the simple fact that half the group have been told that they were being graded that they spent on average half the time trying to solve the puzzle so just the knowledge that they were going to be grated not even getting agreed on it decreased the motivation to work on the problem that you know there's there's dozens of examples like that so it's pretty there's really solid evidence all across the board that grades very harshly decrease motivation but like I was saying there is there is no control excitement for life right there's if they're like some alternate universe over here that like no one had gone to school and we're going to see what it turned out like maybe not so good if there's like a black crow on top of it but um would be awesome if we could see that unfortunately can't um but we can we can hope that in that world where no one went to school, people are people are happy and passionate and self directed and their creative, and they don't feel stuck to jobs that they, you know, don't love, and I would I would hope it's a place where people are feel, feel freer and more confident to be themselves, as opposed to being part of a system that tells us to be judged to be reliant authority and to be dependent on other people's happiness. That's a good, good conversation going on and who me says, I've been a life on lerner, and in a crunch economy, employers go backto evaluating people on paper, not competencies. Do you agree? I think it depends, depends what we're talking about, right? Um, basically, what a college degree does is serve as a filtering mechanism. It makes it easy for employers to evaluate people, and the clarification that I'd make to that statement is that, yes, employers go back to filtering based on degrees, but they don't go back to favorite filtering based on degrees, they go back to filtering based on whether you went to one of the top ten schools in the world if you went to harvard and stanford prince in anything that has a brand name. Your chances of getting in are instantly upped over anyone who went to anything else, right? But if you went to, you know, the school that I went to hendrix or, you know, the school that you know, but maybe you're at, like, question washington university or something like those aren't schools that have brand names, right? Thought it's not good or bad doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad schools is just a fact they don't have brand names. And so unless you went to a top tier school that has a brand name that communicates value about that school, I think your disadvantage on barring that means that you have to prove what you are able to do in the real world, as opposed to relying on credentials. And I also think that in this economy also it's so much more about networking and who you are connecting with in terms of terms of getting jobs, which will likely go back to potentially your experience as well. On what you've proven, yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, it's ah mothers like what, twelve hundred, people a year that goto heart covered something like that a lot more jobs than that and and beyond that very top tier, I think it has a lot to do with with, with who you know what you've built, um, and the potential for you can become anything else from the charlie there's something here? I think this is also from who means says that I'm very lucky that my university really champions undergraduate research and opportunities for self direction. Have you seen dale with university programs or even said that the high school level that educational systems are allowing mohr self directed learnings and say, building your own majors? It it depends there definitely places that are more self directed than others. Brown university of sort of the classic example of a place that's that's, incredibly self directed that allows students to build their own majors without a lot of restrictions. Most places allow students to build their own majors. Um, it seems these days if you want to the thing that's still really tough is getting credit for things that you do that are valuable learning but don't happen on the sanction college campus there's been a whole debate recently over getting credit for internships, for example, on why students are having to pay out of pocket toe live somewhere to do free work and then pay a university to give them credit for it on something like that just seems very sick and wrong to me when someone you know, one person is doing all of the work and then paying twice for it for the institution tio get all of the benefit from it something interesting that the point that you made about us in the brandon university versus a university is not known so well, which I had a very personal experience with. So I went to undergraduate school at western michigan university not many people have learned about then I moved to new york and kalamazoo kalamazoo, michigan you've heard about it. How about I visited kalamazoo college is one of the colleges that they visited? Yes, I want to western michigan diversion how many people learned about that? And I moved in new york city and kind of had to fight and prove myself over and over again to get some nice companies but they don't graduate school at columbia university where a lot of people are familiar with an ivy league name but what's interesting deal this goes back to why I think hacking education is so important yeah, columbia or harvard or brown may get you in the door, but once you get in the door you still gotta prove yourself on dh that's I think why it's so important about what you're doing right now? Yeah, absolutely. Um the other thing that's interesting about about brand name schools is that each of those brands into communicates something different when we think about the brand this is associated with a with a traditional like company brand right, we get different images for like apple versus microsoft and I think the same thing is truly talk about columbia or harvard or princeton or yale or stanford you know, uh you know, all the all the people who want to go into into finance goto warden and all you know, yale is like the gay ivy league school and harvard's for the academics and m it is for the hackers and like, they're always different like associations that we have culturally that go with those different schools that that it's important to pay attention to because those could work to your advantage or disadvantage depending on where you want to go right? If you want if you want to be an artist probably shouldn't go toe warden any other comments from in studio or online or you do go there and you stand out like a star, you know, you might stand out, but you also might not find the support mechanisms to help get you there. That might be the challenge. You guys have anything dad, I never thought about the because I do think it and into the summer and have to pay my school to do and I just never thought of how backwards that is when I demand in shipping like I didn't I didn't do it for credit and it was I was paying to live there and now pay like that just never thought of that ridiculous yes is ridiculous it's like, you know like I can't think of an example of of like real life where that would happen you know, it's like if when my friends came to stay over my house I had to like pay them twice what they would normally pay a hotel or something which is like totally backwards his here like posting them and providing the service when you're paying for it totally totally bizarre and really really messed up I think is just one example of of how messed up the university system is where you in turning the summer I'm interning at a place called della which is like a socially conscious handbag laptop case line they make bags I did uh to ghana and they work with like ghana women cool awesome then let's move on to talking about peer accountability so I talked a little bit about this about having accountability buddies and this is something that I should be doing as a non school or um it was really really helpful to have people that I met with on a weekly basis to check in and this is something that I that I still try and do today it doesn't always happen in the real world because of travel schedules and things like that, but try and check in on a very weekly basis and exchange goaless with my friends to say hey even here's my list of goals for this week send me yours we'll get together next sunday and go back and look at what we did did you write that op ed that you said you were going to? Did you make that business deal? It is a city reeling to how did those emails with those reporters come and for my part it's you know how did your research and development go? Did you get the trial set up? Did you get your plane tickets book so where you're going and the forcing factor here because really what college is a forcing factor and it provides you a force to do something because, you know if you don't turn in your grade your teacher is going to be mad they might give you a bad grade that will go lay no look back on your g p a and there's this whole string of things that end up like maybe the enforcing actors like you might not get a job and when we don't have that in place as another school or we have to create our own forcing doctors, we talked a little bit about this here on dh definitely keeping up with your friends as you said ashleigh is a really great way to do that because there's nothing that is harsher from the judgement of people you care about um and they've done they've done studies about what is more effective in getting people to meet deadlines having self imposed deadlines or having deadlines that are imposed by yourself and hands down the people who imposed their own deadlines were more effective it meeting them as long as those deadlines were were reasonable and measurable, right? There have also been studies that have found, if you if you go and tell the world like some big, huge, audacious goal, you're actually less likely to achieve it. So if I'm like, you know, I'm gonna start a company that gets, like, ten million dollars in revenue, or something that makes that actually makes me less likely to achieve it. Where is if I go ok in the next week, I'm going to accomplish these seven things. I know whether I will know whether or not I've accomplished them by the end of next week, that makes you more likely to accomplish them, that the key here is really back to having these having smart goals that are a reasonable and measurable and attainable, so that at the end of the week, you know, whether or not you've gotten there, um, to think about one of things that you have to think about as a non schooler is, you know, what are the, what are the metrics that you have for yourself? One of things that was most interesting to you and I when I got to college, is that did I say this already like two thirds of my work was gone okay um at least off camera he said that ok, well yeah like two thirds of my work was gone because suddenly someone else was assigned me what to do and someone else was actually grating it and before I had to come with what I was doing and then coming with the metrics to think about what I was learning and we talked a little bit about this this morning about you know, are there two different kinds of metrics that you can have as I see it one is a metric around thie actual subject level knowledge right? Did I meet the learning outcome and these air typically called learning outcomes sort of the like t cherie way to describe this you know and these air written as generally like student can name fifty capitals of the united states like student can solve algebraic equation with two variables things like that and so you can you can write learning outcomes for yourself that are like that, right? So in your case it might be like, you know I can solve fizz buzz yeah, right something like that and then the other the other um the other type of metric are are really just metrics around learning so maybe you maybe you we spent a lot of time learning that you can actually solve or meet the learning outcomes um you know so these air more questions like how did I did? I am do you how my improved this week over where I was last week um when I spent time with my peer accountability my mentor were they impressed with my progress? Those were the sorts of those were the sorts of questions that you might ask yourself as you're going about evaluating yourself so let's go through and use one of us an example and create some of these questions for a specific subject well, that's that's not use code coming as we've done a lot of that but that's not something else is my trailer if we want to talk about that a lot but first yeah short so learning outcomes might be what one of these be um yeah, I just one of them that I have no idea about would be the vehicle maintenance part of it like landing so like maybe like, you know, change student is able to change a tire and check oil levels student is able to park in extreme right oil levels and usually these air written on like separate lines with each thing individually so that you can check off each thing as you go through it and so you waken go down a whole list of like these things right? You know student is able to like manage inventory or, uh, order some others uh find source like find sources for inventory man source clothing market your product could make it more specific yeah I'm trying to figure that out like you know create create effectively manage social media quote knows some good examples right and so these are some of the first steps of of uh writing out what the metrics are that you're learning that that you want to learn so that as you go about the process you can tell while they're not you're making programs so what what might be some of the some of the metrics about the more intangible process of warning that you could use to check yourself would you like to meet with my mentor this week with my mentor and like m I a getting positive they're like just measuring the feedback that you get from the audience yeah I am I getting positive feedback about writing big enough what else monetarily you could gauge your budget at the end of every week to see where you're at so this is not really about money this isn't this is about learning not really about money okay um I guess on that like it could be like meeting goal are like my staying within the framework of goals that the um I might continuing on the process of learning and I mean one could be like you know am I proud of my progress right? Well yeah that's kind of what I was thinking about what about, like personal comfort level you know and like we were talking about the parking the vehicle you know how comfortable are you with with your problem but maybe this is like m I in the zone of proximal development there you go but if some other questions that we might ask ourselves to gauge whether or not we're we're continuing on the process of learning am I still happy with this goal? Do you have anything charming in from online? What are some other things that I might ask myself people are having engaging conversations on their own but not specifically with ideas in there um like I am I am I meeting people that we're providing new insights or maybe even broader like am I I am I opening up new opportunities so we have a couple of timing and now cool um am I ready to add a new, more challenging goal and then starling said do I need to adjust my angle? Has the plan changed cool? I think these are all really, really great now they're coming in more organic souls as am I adding value to someone else bob I'm a loya and my measuring my pursuit accurately has something you come up to measure or has something to come no longer necessary two measures getting medical yeah what is being measured yeah this is the this is really the first step for me in figuring out um, see goring out accountability because in orderto having accountability, but you need to be able to think cogently about these things and to be ableto, you know, it's it's, it's, really helpful toe provide this sort of list to the person that you're being a buddy with, so they know what to judge you want, right? Because the whole point of having a kind of only body is to be judged. You're opening yourself up to judgment because you want that feedback and feedback is awesome, but you need to give some guidance on what you want feedback on because of someone's like, oh, how is your mother, your hair's really nasty this week like, like that's? Not helpful, right? You're not here to get critical feedback on your hair. You get here to get feedback on what you're learning and how you can get back. Um, I I encourage you so to do this to make policy of both of learning, outcome, them learning metrics that you are working towards before you before you start any new. So it's interesting to me is doing so if you think about the personal advisory, um, like personal warning groups that we talked about, those could be sometimes those air subject specific like example, they talked about as a non school or, um, and sometimes they're not usually pure accountability groups are very subject specific with someone who's working on the same thing so that they can check and balance you um the people that I deny today you do that with are also people who are sort of young entrepreneurs who are running their own running their own businesses or doing something sort of independent me with ah large jury of autonomy me, maybe they hit they have a couple of employees people who are in sort of similar places so that we have similar goals on can relate to and empathize and interact with each other effectively on those things. So when you're looking for any kind of bill anybody, I encourage you to seek out someone who's in a similar place, not someone who is like way behind you are way above you on the spectrum of warning um, that you're pursuing, so if what we look talk about first unloading plans, do we have any feedback questions on kind of all the bodies? Well, I think I mean, I think you've just laid this out from iraqis who says does your accountability buddy necessarily have to be working in the same subject as you doesn't have to be? It can be helpful though, particularly if you want to use them for getting more feedback on what you're doing right, so I could imagine it might be helpful to have it how will they have someone who's also working on learning to code for example as a kind of all anybody as opposed to someone who is, you know, learning to paint pictures just because it can be it's useful to have someone who's facing the same challenges so that if you don't meet one of your goals that week, the person is not just like ah, well sucks for you like I don't know what the next time they like I'm having, you know, maybe I'm having that challenge to or here's what works for me that happened to me last week or oh like maybe that's going to happen to me next week? Thanks for the heads up like what have you what have you been using to deal with it? I think it could be helpful to have someone in the same sphere so that you can get more support from them potentially them then someone who's outside of it. Yeah, I found that with an accountability buddy I only have a finite amount of time. Tio read a book so if I have a friend who's staying the same subject, I'll say, hey, I can't read these two books while you read one teach me about it and I'll read this want to teach you about it and that kind of convinces the amount of time and teaching always helps toe learn something awesome that's a good idea tabled to use use the collective power to learn more with awesome dale question coming in from online from a from lauren nugget and this is an interesting what can you have accountability buddy auditions I guess sometimes all of your kind ability buddies are gonna work out so you don't you just right for sure totally is there's opposed many times when someone's you know something comes up where someone has to go travelling or you know I'm always going to be able to meet with someone consistently every single week you typically set like clear expectations of hey accountability buddy, I'm expecting x y and z out of you. Uh, can I hold you to that typically it's hey let's set a time to meet for coffee or if not have a skype call between thirty and forty five minutes on some set day of the week. What? We're going to talk about what we did the previous week when it finds for but water funds are for next week and compare and contrast what we did and what we didn't do we have another one here from once? Dahlia? Is it okay if your accountability buddies are online and met them in person? Absolutely on one thing we talked about a little bit about yesterday is that you can use the concept of public accountability to, um you know, you can it's not quite as effective unless you have, you know, unless you have, like, a really high traffic to web site with lots of people making comments, but you can you can publish your goal lists online, too, and say, hey, internet, this is what I'm going to do hold me accountable to it. I mean, you could even you could do on facebook if you wanted to, and I have to ask while you're writing this big book deal. Did you have accountability, buddy? I don't want your publisher penguin, that content every week saying, are you on schedule because it comes out march fifth? No, I mean kendall was professional is pretty hands off. It was it was it was all on me. I had to keep myself on track, and I did that using using the power of my friends. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think it's some saying, one thing that is good to recall is that, you know, even if you don't have someone who's in the same subject and accountability, but he is a position that literally anybody can occupy, right? There are no special qualifications to be an accountability aside from can you tell me whether or not I've done the things that I said I was going to do? You have to set up the metrics. You just have to have someone who's saving enough to be able to judge whether or not you method, which is, is really not a lot to ask on. Dh it's, usually helpful for the other person to have you feel the same position. So it's, really a beneficial into a relationship I generally find.