Photo Week Bus Tour - Clip 16
Welcome back everyone to creative live, and we are kicking off phone a week two thousand fifteen, and we're here on our road trip, heading from san francisco all the way to seattle. I'm here with soup, rice, mac laskowski, jasmine star and victor hot. It is day two and we are rolling. We're heading through oregon right now and we just wanted to have a little conversation as you do when you're on a road trip about some things like community port a cz well is collaboration these air three topics that we talk about a lot on creative live and are so so important to photographers, especially as they are just getting started. So I wanted to start having all doing today first of all, ok, I'm good grease can't wait. I feel great. Okay? We're glad to hear that it was a new man. It was a long day for everybody. And so I think at the end of the night, we collectively just everyone looked each other in saving tonight and I went to our hotel room and then this morning, everyone hi. Good morning, hi...
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Fantastic well let's talk about community jasmine I'm gonna start with you you have a huge community in terms of the wedding photography is a huge community how do you see that community helps photographers as they're getting started I think that the one of the greatest resource is from your community isn't I think from a marketing perspective building your business perspective doesn't come the natural the way that you would think like buying an ad it's like the I grow my business by and large from getting recommendations not from what in courting there's not from the jays but from fellow photographers who were either too busy or they were over budget for the bride so I think it's really important to go out of your way to meet other people and I encouraged people yesterday in sacramento I said it's not as valuable for you to come to the shoot watch me shoot you get a couple portfolio pieces and you go home that's not the valuable part the value in part is meeting to other people that will change the directive your business because I won't do that in the singles happenstance shoot so the value is making two friends it will do two hundred amazing things your business I love it I love it now victor you're in the film community tell us about the community in that world and how you developed well I think when you kind of approach uh still making projects, you can approach it from one of two different ways you can kind of go, I'm in a one man band, and I'm gonna go all the pre production, all of your post I'm gonna do what I'm gonna d'oh or you could search this segment off little responsibilities in your production so that you could begin to focus on being the storyteller or being the production manager or being a specific role within that within the production. And when you approach like a community, I think, um, there's a great way of just kind of naturally and organically meeting people if you put yourself out there, if you're, you know, looking on uniforms to find just jobs worked with, you know, finding other filmmakers that that you could kind of connect with be like, hey, let's work on a project, you know, I'm fortunate because in the in the office that I work in, we've got four or five guys who always wanted to just pick up something and go shoot something, you know, it could be something as silly as, like, a, you know, a two minute short or something and more in depth, like, like a more of ah ah headline piece, you know, so for me, when it comes to community it's putting yourself out there I'm big right now kind of in my own life, just if you don't ask, you don't get and if you don't put that intention out there, you don't really ask or or ask to be included that you want to be included, you know, so it's really important to kind of think of it in that sense is if you really want to work in a project, started asking around, you may never know that the friend who doesn't do photography or doesn't do people making may have a friend who knows makeup or who knows sound design or know someone who's really interested in doing something to so I think it all has to start with you putting yourself out there and starting to ask the question and start I want to be included in a community thank you, I think that they that combination that really struck me the asking because I think that a lot of people have a hard time asking whether it's asking to be involved in something or asking for help or whatever it is, but you're right. If you just sit back, then you will never harness the power. That absolutely I remember when I first got into photography when I was seventeen years old I was on the street at a community parade event and I was doing that was a stringer for a newspaper the time and I looked over and I saw a guy who owned a studio in my in my city and so I walked up to him said, hey do you need an assistant? And he was taken aback because he'd never been approached like that's it I want to be your assistant what can I do? So I started carrying us carry back sort of carrying his his reflectors and stuff like that and that helped me learn so much about photography justcause I would've been asked, you know, so absolutely so I want to turn to you with regard to community again as well in terms of sort of it you started this whole a movement of photographers how have you seen the ability for people to learn from each other and connect with each other? Seeing that make an impact? I didn't realize this, but when I was about twenty to I am moved out of home into the big city to work in a photographic studio and I'm a very small town girl like three thousand beach town and I keep getting these nightmare flat flat maids roommates were coming flatmates and he's going through plays right? And I keep we're going home to mom and dad and like I can't get anywhere good, and my dad said to me you need a family and I said what? Because you need to live with a family and I moved in with a family mom, dad and kids they ended up becoming my best friends that kids I've now thing grow into adults, but I was the roommate and in a big house and the kids basically slipped in my beard and we'd just head I was part of a family and I realized as I was building my business, I'm like that I want people around me all the time, so building a community comes quite naturally to me my tribe is everywhere, but I have lots of tribes I hit my business tribe so when I started my studio long before education, I built a business need work off a young small business we're not again because, you know, I was thirty seven but I mean young businesses like new businesses andi we called ourselves ironically the brunettes because there were nine of us and we will all burn it and we would all meet for breakfast once a fortnight and just trade, marketing and photography and they were my business network then I have a set of professional studio friends that it just professional photographers and winning children, babies, newborn and they are all running businesses like me and they're my sounding board for business being in business and they were my also drive my friends as well and then as I started educating and then I built my obviously my clientele tribe and then I started educating and I built facebook really made it easy to build a community so I'm not any hit my business page but I which I love is my community and I love connecting with them on a daily basis but I have a private facebook group good in bed was so and his twenty five thousand photographers shooting portrait just focused on building business and they help each other so often on a daily basis that is the go to place off managing get tribe is that community is yeah and I'm in there every day as well so and then I have sub tribes say the people who engaged in twenty eight days three thousand of them actively working through the workshop and it's been two and a half years and they redo the winch up every man they do twenty eight days on repeat and they work through it together these three thousand photographers say that's a community thank you max aka big really changed the world because it's eight your fingertips if you've any community whether it's team nine people that are working together or twenty thousand that your tribe it's your people it's what you want to build but I think going and I think going back tio what victor was talking about you still have to step in and decide that you want to go along with those people but my goodness what amazing thing toe have those people to help you a keep yourself accountable but be just that that support you do see this definitely some common threads some people you know right in the group thinks that they could easily google and I often I looked at that and I used to I used tio fears because you have so many hundreds of people writing every hour I used to be like another kid to me that most of these people need connection they need they're at home working alone that creative they don't have anyone to talk to about their business maybe this spouses at work or whatever and even if this fails is there doesn't here they just want to can eat they just want to talk to someone about I find the biggest problem with tribes is the competition you know there is enough for all of us there's enough and you've got to stay focused on the positive enough is enough and don't you know if you're in there to compete you know going to help the community not going to help your community there's enough for everybody if we all come up together like I feel like you've got to keep constantly bolstering the idea that is enough and I think I was actually just thinking the same things I think it's hard once you're then faced in a place where you are seeing all these people that are trying to do the same thing as you're trying to d'oh even more focused than that, how easy is it to just compare yourself to other people? Cannot mar, since you know comparisons the killer of pretty much an all creative doubt way do it, though that'll do it, tio remember comparison in the negative form is if you're better than someone inflate your ego and if your lisa than someone it deflates your ego, neither israel there's a good result, but neither will get you paid, and neither will actually sustain your soul like there is no creativity and competition that so and so you're going to just feel better where better where's bitter words and you never just feel fulfilled because nothing off the centers will ever give us the same sustain the soul soul needs to be fed with giving and love and creativity it doesn't ever get sustained by I'm better than him, and I'm better than hair and, you know, I feel like, um yeah, but anyway, community, as long as she could keep your community positive. I just read this amazing article about dale carnegie when he wrote in nineteen thirty six he wrote his workshop on teaching people communication skills and confidence, and I'm standing this because I'm teaching my students confidence and self belief, and he said that he asked all of the students to get up and speak public play, and all of them just went into a full state of terror. Now, this is a nineteen thirty six, so he said to them, speak about something that you hate, something that makes you angry, and every person got up interest in and spoke and nailed the talk, and he realized that when people were angry and passionate and, you know, upset about something, they all of the fear went away, and that explains a lot about social media because people will get on and be really negative, an outspoken and angry, but you just don't see a lot of positive, constant positivity, and it it really had in a community constantly messages up to creativity and positivity because it's very easy to be out spoken when you're upset. But it's not easy to be outspoken, used to say something mean, like I made when when you're when you're in that state of mind and you say things you would never say to a person. We've all probably right, and I'm sure everybody watching has read something that you like, leave they said that, but you'd never say it to that person, but for some reason you're behind the the wall of online and you'll say whatever whatever comes to mind, so we just have less than two minutes made about a minute left of in that in our time here. But matt, I would imagine that a lot of landscape photographers might feel that it's hard to find community I don't know, I'm wondering, because you're often may be out on your own. Where do people seek that? Um, I mean it's, you know facebook, you have your five hundred px dot com, so yeah, I think you have communities with facebook five hundred px google there's a lot of places to go I mean, I think I would take the approach of speaking to that person mohr of I think a lot of landscape travel it's, not so much a lot of people aren't necessarily doing that it's a business, they're doing it because they just love photography and they happened to be somewhere and they want to take a good picture, and so so you kind of fall into the educational aspect of community, and when you're in the educational part of it, if you're not in a school what happens is that you lose that connection with other people so you don't know where you are so number one I think just having having other people to check in with having other people to talk to about whatever you're learning, whatever you're going through the photos were taken think helps I think it helps develop you know, when you create those communities you figure you find people to go shoot with, you find people toe, go take trips we other than that helps and then I think if I had any advice for somebody that was kind of in that area in the educational space of I want to learn something on part of the community one ask questions I want to check in is you need to develop a sub community because you have to find people that want to see you get better and so developed that sub community so that when you post a picture, you're not putting it out to a thousand people because I can guarantee you there's going to be a few people in there that maybe don't want to see you get better and it's not me and it's just right that's just what happens, I think overall theme is just tio to care about the people that you know what they say just care about those people that you want to hear what they say and that those people that support you well, that's, all we have time for for now. So we'll see you guys later. Thanks.