Smart Object General Q&A
Great question why did I have to create a smart object out of the original smart object for the selective scharping because any time you run a filter on a smart object you get a single layer mask no matter how many filters you run that stack up over here in your layers panel so to be able tio reveal the global sharpening on the whole photo and then only reveal the extra sharpening in certain spies I couldn't do it on a single smart object because I've only got one mask and for global and selective sharpening I really would have needed to masks so that's why ok now I will say that creating smart objects probably adds is much fat to your file size as duplicating the layer okay, so the jury is still out on whether using smart objects rather than doesn't duplicating layers and doing different rounds of sharpening and adding layer masks to those duplicate layers really is any more efficient as faras file size and smart objects okay, that's it we haven't figured that out yet, but what I will...
say is that creating smart objects like this allows you to roll with a much cleaner, more organized in my efficient and my opinion efficient layers panel hey but it's all about you know showing you what you can do and photo shop and then you have to decide which method you want to use yes um in your opinion or in your workflow, how different are the tools that light room offers for sharpening because there's a mask option in their versus what you can do here? Um what's your thoughts on what what's better way to sharpen what's better tool well that's a great question if I was using light rain to import my pictures and edit them which I am I would do global sharpening their and if I needed to bring the image in the photo shop to do something that light rain can't do like, you know, an oil painting or several other things if I needed to do some serious, you know editing involving selections, then I would do local sharpening and photo shaw so it just depends on where you want to do it. If you don't have to bring the image in the photo shop, then you can do selective sharpening, you know, in light rain were camera arar aperture as well, but yes, since we're over here and photoshopped, this is a way to do it in a shop kennedy ever is this a good time for us to take some questions or do you want her? Let me see let me do it one more time perfect, okay? And then we'll take questions on our missing a kink ok, so we're gonna go ahead and close our chica here and we're going to do that same thing again. Okay? So here's our image I've already done around of global sharpening and then I came back in and on this one at the extra sharpening reveal on her iris is a little bit more pronounced so there's before and there's after so yesterday you know we did some selective lightning on iris is selective sharpening on on lee the irs again not the rim of the iris is another great way to make a portrait pop and sharpening an iris on folks that have light colored eyes is really a beautiful quite a beautiful thing to do, you know, in moderation so let's, go ahead and close this document and let's do a round of everything. Now the first thing we need to do to this image is fixed the color and lighting right so let's add and levels adjustment layer so I'll just quickly try to bring that color back in line here. Not like that. Here we go there's our before and there's our after well, now we've got a multilayer document. Okay, so what I'm gonna do is create a smart object out of that that I'm gonna sharpen because filters only run on single layers, but this image is now comprised two layers, so we're going to control or right click to the right of the layer name not over here over here and we're going to say convert to smart object, so now those two layers are compressed into a single layer onto a jack and run filters, so we'll try it back up to the filter menu choose other high pass well, let it roll with two point to say ok doubleclick, the little icon to the right of the high pass filter in order to change its blend moto overlay, which makes that grade drop right out, case that here's our before here's are after now it's apply around of selective sharpening to just a few areas controller right click to the right of the layer name choose convert to smart object and again we're doing this because we've only got one mask we can't continue to stack up filters on that smart object because we need to mask them in different ways and you've only got one mask per smart object. So now we've got a new fresh smart object and let's do our selective sharpening filter sharpened and chart mask or high pass filter, and we'll go head on with the settings role pretty and it now it's high to be over sharpening so let's click to activate the layer mask press x to flip flop your colored ship so that black is on top and now let's fill that mask with black by pressing options early on a mac are all delete on a pc now we compress beat activate the brush tool press x to flip flop your color ship so that your painting with white so that we can reveal the over sharpening the last time we use the brush tool we lower the opacity so let's pump it back up to one hundred and now let's zoom in use the space bar to move around within the image while yours aimed in and let's come down here and reveal the extra sharpening on on lee the iris of her eye so here's our before and here's our after you go ahead and reveal it on the eyebrow and hair if you want but let's back off of that a little bit it's a little bit too strong so let's double click that little icon to the right of the filters name and let's drop the opacity around seventy five percent or what looks good tio click ok so now here's our before here's our after again if we need to get back to that original smart object to either change the levels suggesting that layer or change the amount of global sharpening all we have to do is double click this smart object funny shop says hey please don't save me in another place remove me or your original document will update click ok flower shop opens a temporary document showing your original layers so I can come in here if I am needed tio actually we've got a couple of them stacked up here so I could come in here and open up that document now I've got two temporaries going on and I could change my levels adjustment if I wanted I'm making a levels adjustment change that I wouldn't make just so you can see the change will be obvious and that's when we go back to those other documents so you can see how it updates so a press command s or control as to say this will close it now we're in our global sharpening document right? You see the levels change appeared so now we can save this one even though we're not really making a change right here and then when we close that we come back up to our selective sharp sharpening document and all those changes have updated ok now we may take questions wait how many you have nested I work a lot with groups of people so if I open up somebody else's nested objects it's going to be hard to really tell what's going on in that file without some type of schematic yeah there's not really any way that I know if you could get creative with your layer naming and that would you know give you a clue to be honest I don't think I've ever necessary anything more than three or four layers deep but us haven't come across a reason to do that but um it really isn't it seems like it would be incredibly difficult to keep track of but it's really not because you just double click to expand do what you need to do on that thing saving close it and then you're back in the original I really eleven because it lets me keep my layers panel you know under control rather than having fifteen million layers but that said smart objects may not be for everybody you know you could continue working without them and just duplicate layers to do all these different things and and do you organization by using layer groups which is really fancy shmancy way of saying, you know, put layers into folders that you can collapse or expand here in the layers panel is there any indication that there is a nest? I mean if you're if you're backed up to the original image and there is a nest is there any indication that there is one if you didn't know that there was one not that I know of but if you double click it and nothing happens so we'll keep double clicking see we eventually get back to know smart objects ok steve hamel dot com as well as barbie and want to know is a reason really not to use a small object if they're so great why would you not open your files? These foreign objects is a preference or only if you're uncomfortable with him okay he know adobe puts all these fabulous features in the program doesn't mean you have to use all of them so don't feel pressure to use him my job today is to show you what you can do with them and there may be there may come a time where you need to do something that this will work out really well for any milling how to use these things all right cool so we have a lot of questions and I'm going back to just opening in placing so we'll take a couple of those so michael from eighty l says what happens to the file if you lose the original image that the smart object was created from fabulous question thank you so much for asking that not a darn thing you do not have to keep the original file anywhere it doesn't matter it's not linked to an external file like video is it's all here in the document that is all yeah, it doesn't matter it just doesn't matter because it's all here finish off is memorizing everything it's not linking to anything the only thing that that no not even then I was going to say if you place an illustrator file and then that illustrator fall goes away, it'll still open an illustrator for you to edit it and we'll show you that in just a little bit but yeah, it just doesn't matter if the if you bring something in a smart object and then that original file goes away he just does it matter okay way have another line this is if I open the smart object a week later on a different computer with c s six well it open all layers in this more object absolutely there in their school and let's see how brown john from india who's there in kolkata who's not in crete, not right now. That was j morgan when photos were dragged from many bridge are they again? Are they default? Opening a smart objects or we have to activate something. They are being opened as a smart object straight out of the box and that behavior I believe was new in c s five and you can control that in photo shops preferences so on a mac you can open photoshopped preferences are photoshopped many than preferences on the pc. The preference is there going to be under the edit menu and I believe it's under general yeah, here it is. So I'm on the general section of the preferences and here's where that control is right here place or drag raster images as smart objects that it is turned on straight from the factory so I would suggest leaving it on that said, if you drag a victor if you drag dot es I file stands for adobe illustrator into your photo shop work space it will not come in as a smart object, so when you're working with the actors are very big doing that later today quite a lot then will be used in the foul place command. But you can any time you drag a pixel based in mint, which is what rastra means anything that's made from pixel so photos then it will come in as a smart object whether you drag it from your desktop or your dragging it from the mini bridge panel doesn't matter your question? Yes, always. Um well, I guess it is asked eso as this is kind of a clarification question. So as far as temporary document psb, it doesn't matter how many psb document you have, it will update the original smart object image, right? So yeah, however many across what you save them all when you the whole nesting of smart objects came along and I think he could miss smart objects and see us for smart objects have been around since cst, and for several years we really couldn't nest a whole lot of them. But I believe that behavior changed and see us five I remember, right a big honkin sidebar my book about you can now nest smart objects, so yeah, we have so many questions lisa um, let's see so we're still we're still take a few more on opening, if if that's okay, a question from victoria for two five when we're talking about going back and forth with light room, if we pull from light room, then work on the smart object in federal shop and save it. Will it be a smart object back in light room when you can save it in there and then pull back to photo shop as a smart objects? So that round tripping light room doesn't support smart objects? Okay, no, don't lose that lightning business for layers, ok, so there are no samara objects and light rain, but it wouldn't. I guess the question is, will it save it as a smart object? So when you pull it back not that you would work on it as a smart objectivity in, like room? Well, what happens is so if you're using light room than you, would, uh, you would place a raw image as the smart object. Ok, so any editing that you've done to that raw file in light room will show up here and photoshopped, then you can do some more things and photoshopped make lodge, you know, whatever you want at any time, if you want to go backto light room. To pop open that file and adjust the edits that you made, all you have to do is edit the smart object here and photo shot. And that second will open up in light rain with all of your changes there so you can find team them, close it, and then it will update itself in photo shop. The light rain per se does not support layers or certain objects, right? Thank you, it's. Pretty heady stuff, isn't it? It would make more sense. Is we keep doing it all they awesome. Yeah. Question is from socks soft box. Polly, do you know if sharpening and smart object capabilities also apply when you are using third party, sort of plug ins like nick one more time? Do you do? You know, if does sharpening and smart object capabilities also apply? When you're using a third party plug in like nick software? Yes, you can use smart objects with things like that. I don't think nick nick software automatically creates a smart object. Some of them do you, maybe it's, the on one plug ins that automatically create a smart object. I believe that nick software simply duplicate your layer when you trigger that plug in, so that you have non destructed anything that you could certainly make the layer smart object before you triggered the knicks software I think on one plug ins actually do make a smart object I don't think nick does I think they still duplicate but I could be wrong on that. Okay um ok jonah so both your aunt sophie sophie jack would like to know do you always have the global select before the single map are do you have a globally sharpen before you go back and do the selective scharping because of the single mass issue? I like to do it because I often times don't know that I need to do selective sharpening until I've done global sharpening then I stand back and look at the picture maybe pop in a full screen mode by pressing f a couple of times on your keyboard and so it's only after I've done global that I realized you there's some areas that I'd really like to accentuates that's why did you select? I think it does get practiced in global sharpening first in selective last think of it is fine tuning, you know your spine teaming those pixels just sold it okay? And oh, did we have a question? You know the difference between clarity and sharpening e I believe that sharpening will take place over your whole photo so funny shop is looking for anything that it didn't deems to be an edge, so areas of high contrast clarity seems to focus only on the mid tones so I believe that's the difference is this what it was like to me? Let me show you one more image case I'll show you another use for smart objects and sharpening what if you've got two layers going on here? Okay, we've got a collage what are we going to sharpen? We could apply a round of sharpening tio each layer why not make a smart object out of the whole mess and do the sharpening ones? Is it a twice? So maybe this example will help make this make more sense to you and see how useful it can be, so we've got two layers going on here let's make a smart object out of it, so we're going to control our right click to the right of the layer name and choose convert a smart object again because I know we're going to get this question if you control a right click on the layer thumbnail, you're not going to get that menu so it makes a big difference where you click so controller right click to the right of the layer name cheese convert to smart object now let's sharpen this thing as one piece to use filter other high pass I can feel the internet going oh, I really can't feel it right now, it's very strange so we're goingto back off of the radius just a little bit click ok doubleclick the little icon to the right of the filter name and change the mode to overlay so which makes grade drop right out now we've sharpened two layers at the same time you may continue with your questions so a quest shin from c from aster x I think you already talked about this but is there a way to un merge the layers as a smart object? Oh yeah, you can control and I believe it's export content or let's say that you've done some things and for whatever reason you don't want that to be a smart object anymore you could always just double click it and then when this temporary document opens she's file save as which is what photoshopped tells you not to do and then change the format from large document format back to photo shop and then you're back to just regular document cool I think you can also export the contents and do the same thing okay? Sam cox would like to know our small are smart objects compatible between versions of photo shock, for example came to smart object be created and see it's six and then open and see s five yes, as long as it's a version of photoshopped that support smart objects and that goes all the way back csto have her like I said earlier there were some nesting changes there there have also been some updates on smart objects in masks used to you couldn't link a mask if you applied it to the smart object ok so for example if we decided we wanted to add another mask to this image like if we wanted to give it a rounded edges per se so we could have a go with that using our rounded rectangle tool and I'll come appear make my radius forty pixels or so that's going further round the corners of the shape on about to draw make sure that the rounded rectangle tool isn't path mood come over here in click and drag and now we're going to add a layer mask to that smart object which we all know is comprised of two different layers of images so now we're going to command click or control cliff on a pc the mask icon at the bottom of your layers panels tell footage shot to make a vector mask and we're only creating a victor mask instead of a pixel based mass because if we want to resize just the mask later on we won't have to worry about the edges of that mass becoming pixelated because it's a vector and you can resize victors all day long without losing quality so we're going to go ahead and commander control click that so now we've applied a mask one mask to two layers okay so used tio footage shot would not link the layer content if it was a smart object to the layer mask that changed, I believe it could have been see us find that changed in. So while you can certainly open smart objects and way earlier versions by to see us, tiu, it may not. That version, if I shot, may not support everything that cia six support with smart objects, so just be aware of that linking thing, and you will get a limit on how many nested smart objects you can have in previous versions of the program, but they will open smart objects will open and photoshopped elements for the love of thor. They really will. You can't create smart objects and elements, but you can open smart objects made in photo shop in elements. Very cool. Well, we have about thirteen minutes left before our first break, so we'll probably keep going. Excellent. So it's close all these babies up and let's take a look at another great filter use for smart objects. This is what we're going to create, so I'll toggle the visibility icon off on the filter that I ran on a smart object so there's our before theirs are after. So we're gonna add a dark edge vignette via the linens correction filter, which is honestly, my favorite way to add a dark age. Sing it even though we were using those grady and phil layers yesterday it's another way to do it, but I like this one better so it's closed that document and open at this file and if you're working with the exercise files, you'll notice that you get my layer file as well as the original, so it my goal in duplicating the download for you is in the hopes that you won't accidentally save over the layered files that you can always go back to it in reverse engineer and see what I did so that's why I'm opening showing you what we're going to do and then I'm closing it and then we're opening just the original j peg ok, so now let's, go ahead and create a smart object ok, so we can try to the filter menu convert for smart filters or if you had the wherewithal to remember to open it as a smart object to begin with. She's file open as smart object and so forth but we're going to try it to the filter menu she's convert for smart filters stop saying hey, I'm about to make a smart object out of this layer thank you for the shop now we had a little special badge over here so now let's try it to the filter menu in chiu's elin's correction now I will say in see us five len's correction was liberated to the root level of the filter menu if you're runnin previous versions of photoshopped, this filter is hiding in the distort category go figure so if you don't see it in the root level of the filter menu, take a peek and then distort menu if you're using c s five or cia six, you're going to need to click the custom tab over here if you're running see us for you don't have a custom tap so don't worry about it so go ahead and click custom and then what we're going to do is we're going to come down here to just the section named vignette ok don't worry about any of that other stuff we're not fixing chromatic aberration or gm entered distortion or any other who cause that this dialogue box will fix we're going to drag the vignette slider all the way to the left and call it done there's our nice edge vignette weaken toggle the preview button off and on click ok now it's been applied to our smart object but let's say that that s vinje is little too dark this a little bit just to touch what can we do? Can we drop a pass? It e drops opacity of the whole air so what we can do is pop open the filters blending options and drop capacity of on lee the filter itself so give it a swift double click I'll do something drastic so you can see fifty percent see how it's dropping the capacity of just the edge vignette go up to about eighty five click ok and you're done there's the before and there's the after so very subtle and again just like we were doing yesterday when we were creating those grading it feel layers if any of that vignette comes over onto your focal points faces, then you've got an automatic layer mask here right here with the smart filter so we could press be they grab the brush tool flip flopper colored ship so that we're painting with black increase breast size with the right bracket key and we come over here and ensure that none of that edge darkening is covering up our faces that's using filters with smart objects even if you're not working with multi layered files gives you a whole lot of editing flexibility because you get an automatic layer mass that on ly affect the filter. So for example let's do a little selective blurring on this image, shall we? So what we could do is try back up to the filter menu choose blur and unfortunately cia sixes nublar gallery filters will not play with smart object so that's why they're great out right here that we can come on down to the tried and true gaussian blur and this blur is actually gonna know it will be good okay, it's gonna blur the outside edges so we'll pump it up so hopefully we can really see. Click ok. Oh, you know it didn't do anything cause I had the mask active c do as I say, not as I do. I have the mask active, so it blurred the mask so let's click the actual smart object now run a blur filter. A tip for you with filters is you can trigger the last filter that you ran with the exact same settings by simply pressing command or control f for filter, the last filter you've ran always appears at the top of the filter menu. So now we've added a a blur filter here, so just all kinds of wonderful things that you can do so here's our edge vignette and there's our blair filter. But you can see that I don't have the opportunity to mask those filters individually, but let's say the blur's a little bit overdone so I can come in here to the blur filters, blending options, and I could drop the opacity of just the blur, so there is no other way to get at just what the filter did. Unless you're running a filter on a smart object, you just can't get at it, because it will apply. To the layer even if you hide it with a layer mask, you would have to duplicate this layer each time you want to run a filter and add separate layer masks question or nest it or nested yes, yes, absolutely ok, so let's do that again and we'll close that open up another image memory conversation about andre cortez yesterday my favorite hungarian photographer anything look familiar here it is awesome, isn't it? Ok, so let's say we want to add an edge venue to this photo as evidence for a great way to just kind of make the edges of the image a little less distracting but we've got a multilayer document here what do we do? We're going toe shift, click or control or command clicked activate the multiple layers no matter how many layers were over here this sucker could be comprised of fifteen layers we don't care because we can compress them into one layer for the purpose of running a filter. So now we're going to control or right click to the right of the layer named shoes convert a smart object and we're going to run our edge vignette filters so we're going to drop back up to the filter menu choose elin's correction in c s five and later you're going to click the custom tab and see us foreign earlier you don't have a custom tabs you don't have to do that and then we're going to locate the vignette slider, and we're going to drive the amount all the way to the left and call it done. I think you can tack on at least one hundred dollars, to your job every time you had it been yet. I used to say that every drop shadow is worth a hundred bucks, but I think it's been answered worth a hundred bucks t so here's our before and here's our after. And if we want to get back to that levels adjustment layer to further tweak it, all we have to do is double click are smart object, yes, but a shot. We know we're not supposed to say that, like, ok, here's our original layers so we can double click the layers adjustment layer icon and continue to tweak it, and then we're going to choose file, save not state as file, save close that and immediately are changes or updated in our original document.