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Interview with Anthony Fantano

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1. Interview with Anthony Fantano

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Interview with Anthony Fantano

Hey, everybody, I'm Finma can t on the head of the music and Audio Channel here on Creative Live If you are new to creativelive where the world's leading online classroom for creative professionals on the audio channel. We have classes and everything from songwriting to engineering, mixing and mastering with lots of artists that you may be familiar. Rest like Dillinger Escape plan Converged periphery Uh, Joey Sturgis, All kinds Folks like that, making records you probably like. So if you want to learn more about that, head over to creativelive dot com slash audio and check it out. Watch all the free previews. Our guest for today is the Internets music Busiest music nerd. Now, Ah, Anthony, I want to ask how to pronounce her last name because, you know, I don't know if I should say fan Tanno like I would or if I should be like the the NPR people. They say, like Nicaragua. If I should say Fan Tano, you know, safe. You could say fan Tanno. Or you could say, you know, any kind of crazy vari...

ation on that that you think I mean, you know, at this point, Fontana was fine, OK? From from what I understand, uh, should actually be fun, Tana, but, you know, sort of having relatives that came over through Ellis Island and all that. You know, sometimes last names get kind of changed up. They decide that they know better. So I guess Anthony, for anybody who doesn't know, you tell us. Ah, little bit basically about who you are, what you do. And, Ah, what exactly makes you the Internets? Busiest music nerd. Um, just music fanatic Hail from Connecticut. Been doing this YouTube thing since 2009. The needle has existed in some kind of way, shape or form since 2007. Used to work at a local NPR stations or to doing a radio show. Maybe would like to get back to doing that one day, but, you know, sort of the YouTube channel kind of grew to the point where it just kind of seemed like That's where my main focus should be. And I just do reviews over there. Rock, pop, electronic music, hip hop metal Might be some singer songwriters, folk music. Maybe jazz just sort of depends on what kind of grabbing my attention in the attention of my viewers that week, and and I am just trying to as many reviews as possible, and I guess I call myself the busiest because I don't know. I just wanted some weird tagline and I just thought being busy was maybe the most unimpressive thing that you could be on. Uh, you know, some people might call themselves the best or the smartest or the strongest at the time. At least I considered myself to be the busiest because I think I was working two part time jobs at the time that I started the YouTube channel and eso. So at the time, I thought I was too busy to be doing it, so it was kind of just like a bit of been, You know, it's inside joke just for me just to call myself that. Now it's just sort of stuck. It's like boasting about how maney words there are in your novel. You know, this'll novel house over four million words. That's only 25 cents per 1000. Or that you're like, I don't know really good at washing dishes or something like that. Or, you know, I just took you know, I take my dogs outside all the time s busiest, making sure his dogs get outside toe, have a walk and enjoy the enjoy the weather. Well, it it seems like you have Ah, pretty big following. Pretty big following from kind of the metal sort of side of things. Is that your background? I mean, we have very eclectic taste because that kind of like that your first love or if you picked up along the way, um, metal was definitely a big obsession for me in high school. Um, then I kind of got into punk. And then from there I got really big in tow singer songwriters. And then I got that. I kind of got into, um, indie rock and pop and jazz and college. And then I ended up kind of circling back around to metal back when late, like in the in the mid and late two thousands when a sludge metal dude metal and that sort of thing was like getting really big a drone medal. Um, and and sun was still like, uh, incredibly popular in terms of like people looking for new records from them. So, you know, kind of kind of started at metal in high school in terms of, like, a certain genre obsession and sort of circled back around to it in my, uh, in my adulthood. Cool. Well, we've got some. Ah, got some questions coming in. So that's cool. We'll get to those in one second. Keep the questions coming, though, um, wanted to ask you real quick. I know you have a live event coming up. Can you talk about what that is? And I guess I'm curious. I've seen you post about thes on instagram and stuff. What exactly happens at an intimate evening with Anthony Fontana? I haven't talked too much publicly about what exactly goes on at these things because I kinda want people to come in and be surprised. I mean, there was, I think, for one of my first shows that I ever did. I walked up on stage and I had a guitar sitting there and I went to play in, and it was completely un tuned and then in front of the crowd for, like, maybe a minute or so I I painstakingly tuned the guitar and as soon as the guitar was tuned and I played it, and, uh, I sort of confirmed with everybody in the crowd that it sounded good. Um, I just quickly unplugged in through a back in the case. Uh, and then I kind of stepped up their money and went home. Yeah, exactly. But but yeah, I sort of Ah, it's kind of a combination between what I might do in my letter from a fan videos or my question comment videos. Or I'm kind of talking about a recent event or just maybe a general music topic and, you know, just trying to facilitate some kind of serious discussion about that. And then I will also, you know, embark upon a bunch of silly things as well. Like, uh, during one of my last shows that I just did this past week, I read a bit of fan fiction that someone wrote about me, which I had a friend of mine. Um, uh, sort of illustrate pictures, too. And every time I do that sort of bit, people go absolutely insane because the fan fiction is so outlandish. Sounds like it go could go in some weird directions that I don't think I want to talk about. It does always go in weird directions. These these live sets and sort of what I end up talking about really certain depends on what happened that week and where I am. Um, I did a series of shows in Australia last year, and I kind of tailored a bunch of segments to, um, you know, the Australian music scene for for those shows that I have done over there. Um, when I had done some New York events late last year, that new war on drugs Mark Kosilek song where he was sort of breaking the balls of the people in the war on drugs, that song had just come out. So that was kind of a topic to talk about this past week. I was talking about title in music streaming services during one of my segments for the show. So you know, it's a mix of kind of stuff that is funny. Stand up ish. And then there are also segments that are kind of based on, you know, recent musical events, and I usually stick around and do a Q and A immediately afterwards. And then, um, you know, I'll stay up, hang out at the merch table and just kind of take pictures shake hands me as many people as I can who you know, just want to stick around. And then it kind of just becomes, Ah, this moment where I can you know me a lot of the people who watch the show just face to face and you know which is, which is always entertaining for May. Let's get into the viewer questions. Eso 1st 1 from D. F. Ross, uh, most annoying cliche musically, lyrically, that you see in music today. I mean, it's still kind of happens today, though it's not like the most prevalent thing that I come across today, but I kind of have to maybe stop myself and sort of tell myself not to be so cynical. But whenever there's like a lot of lyrics sort of centering around the eyes, it really sort of bugs may maybe just a little bit like I'm looking in your eyes or their stars in your eyes or, you know, realize realized, you know, just like a lot of focus on the eyes, um, you know, which are just like an organ that you see things with, You know, looking into someone's eyes doesn't necessarily, you know, tell you everything about them. They're the window to the soul. You know, I do understand. I do understand that. I do understand that. And, you know, I I sort of get the the poetic imagery that some people might be trying to pull together. But I don't know. I mean, there's there's just a lot of bad lyrics about eyes. I'll just say that it's a lot of bad lyrics about eyes. Eyes conceptually probably aren't a bad thing to write lyrics about. But maybe they're an obvious thing. And that's why a lot of people who aren't good lyricist sort of, you know, center around them were focused on them. All right, Well ah, how about ah question from an anonymous user, Uh, what's type of music that you enjoy that most people may not realize? You enjoy, um, take a music that I enjoy, that I feel like it's probably I don't like ever had thanks to a music teacher of mine, I had a bit of ah, an obsession for a moment with just like klezmer and folk music from, like the Eastern Bloc. Um, it was actually a band around at the time in American American band featuring the ex drummer of Neutral Milk Hotel called the Hawk and a hacksaw that were very active around this time. That I was kind of that was kind of finding out about this stuff, and they were playing that very same music and and making trips over there like turkey. And in places like that, sort of learn more from musicians who lived in these places to, ah, to make this music. Um, you know, artists like, uh uh, uh, troughed a high dukes, for example. Fantastic. Like amazing musicians, um, and, ah, you know, Ah, a lot of them consider themselves a t least From what I understand, it could be totally wrong on this, uh, gypsies in the band And, you know, they're just, like, fiery, like, amazing players in this group. And, you know, they just not only are they fantastic stand alone players, but they perform incredibly well as a band. So, you know, while I haven't talked about it much in recent videos or anything like that, there was a time when I was pretty, uh, pretty obsessed. Ah, question. What? The radio side of things from an anonymous user. I'll be interning at my city's PBS member station this summer and would like to hear more about your experience at your local NPR station and public broadcasting in general. Um, I don't know how restrictive things could be at wherever this person is from in terms of their, you know, public radio station. I mean, the station that I interned at hard for W NPR great station. You know, they produce a lot of local content. However, you know, they have done stuff like, uh, made trips over to a. D. C. Where you know, they're recording like, a lot of the big, huge national syndicated shows. And, you know, these places really run like clockwork. You know, there are a lot of levels to the point where you know, you might actually be influencing anything that goes out on the air. You know, while my station was the biggest station in Connecticut and we had a lot of great local content that they were making, um, you know, I was producing stuff, you know, that week that was going out on the air in terms of like, audio editing. And, you know, it only took me a little while to pull together some demos for a music show. Show them to the general manager and he liked them. And then we turned that into, like, a podcast that was going up on the website, and after a handful of months improving that I could do that on a weekly basis, turned into 1/2 an hour length show on the air. Um, you know, and, uh, after that, I had gotten a, ah, small position doing some weekend announcing over there. I mean, even if the station is big and it's nationally known and you know, there are a lot of people employed there how far you end up moving in the organization is going to depend on how much work you put in and how much talent you can show them. Onda. How willing you are to sort of, you know, just just grab a hold of the ropes and learn them on DGA. Just ask, you know, ask questions and be curious and just show that you're actually interested in what's going on in the station and that you're emotionally invested in what's going on in the station. Um, uh, that's that, at least has been my experience. You know, and the people over at the station while I'm not, you know, employed there now they were a big influence on me to do what I'm doing now on YouTube. You know, even though I had a radio radio show going and, you know, I had a podcast going on W NPR they were the news director, John Jankowski, and one of the producers over there at the time, George Goodrich was pretty adamant about recommending that I start a blogger or a website as well. Sort of. Go along with my radio show, which, you know, sort of influence meat t get a little bit more involved in the online music community and sort of ah, uh, take the time to learn what exactly is going on in, uh, the music world outside of, you know, sort of the NPR bubble. Um, and you know, eventually that kind of gave way to the YouTube channel. So, you know, even if you don't end up, uh, at this NPR station fully employed, just being around such a kind of creative media company can most definitely influence what what you do. If you do kind of take what you're doing into some kind of online venture. Well, ah, great question to follow up on that from another anonymous user. Do you see YouTube channels like yours as replacing radio as a music Discover Beauty Discovery vehicle? Or is a supplement to radio? Um, I just kind of see it as a supplement. I don't think you know, there's some great music based radio shows out there that I don't see a YouTube channel out there that could replace it. Like, for example, ah Afropop Worldwide, who do a fantastic job of finding pop music from all over the world and bring it to the NPR airwaves. You know, there's no YouTube station that there's no YouTube channel that's doing exactly what Afropop Worldwide is doing. I kind of just see me as another drop in the bucket of which we are all drops of just, you know, one more music publication. I just happen to be sort of YouTube based. Um, I don't see myself as a replacement for anybody. I'm just trying to be, you know, competition, you know, in just another, another avenue with ah, certain taste and a certain style in a certain delivery. Really Well Ah, question from Curtis Park that has been on the top of my mind. Why do you always tweet? Good morning. Because I just want I just want to tell everybody Good morning. Just, you know, I just want to start the day just on a positive note. So I want to do I like it. Ah, anonymous user wants to know. Do you think Do you think that the mainstream will see a resurgence in hard rock music in the near future? I think everything kind of has its cycles in terms of relevancy. Right now, the main rock music is pretty, like, just non existent when it comes to the mainstream. I mean, there are a few exceptions, like, maybe if you would even consider the 1975 rock music. Um, you know, certainly Pop rock. I wouldn't say the guitar has disappeared from the mainstream. Um uh, at all you know, there plenty of pop songs out there that feature guitar at some point, but, you know, as far as like, a hard, aggressive rocking sound, you know, new metal has sort of coming past. And, you know, grunge is sort of coming past. You know, I think it's It's going toe sort of be twofold. We're going to need musicians who our invest in rock music and want to come together with a new sound and new trend for people to gravitate toward. And then it's also going to be the audience. I mean, you know, people are actually gonna have to be receptive to it, because I don't I don't think it's necessarily for a lack of, uh of new ideas or anything like that. I mean, there are at least a ah handful of rock bands that I could name that I think have, ah, a very progressive, futuristic, risk taking sound. You know, bands like liturgy or I've been listening to a lot of battles lately, and I always consider their sound to be kind of forward thinking. But, you know, I just think, uh, what's going on? Electronic music and hip hop right now, Um, you know, for whatever reason, because it's it's it's really hard to predict trends on. I enjoy a lot of it myself, but it just seems to be capturing more years and capturing mawr imaginations than, ah, what a lot of underground rock music is doing right now, but again, you know, Ah, trends kind of come and go and you know, eventually what we're seeing right now in terms of popular music, mainstream culture is gonna give way to something else. Another question from anonymous user. What bands from Russia do you like? I know there are a couple that I probably found out about in my college days when looking into some of those Eastern Bloc bands. But, I mean, as far as, like, what's the best new Russian punk band? Or, like, you know, pop act. I mean, you know, there hasn't been like a huge Russian presence in the American music mainstream for ah for years since, like that tattooed. I was just gonna say, What are you talking about? Tattoos at the top of the charts. Still right? Um uh, yeah, yeah, but geez, I'm trying to think like, you know, there are some countries that because there's a language barrier I know so little about what's going on over there in terms of the music scene, but I think kind of the next step that the Internet needs to take in terms of musical discovery is to somehow break that wall down a friend of mine and also because I've just been seeing some buzz about it from a few popular songs has been turning me onto some Japanese and Korean rap artists. Also on, Ah, who right now there's like this Ah, Korean pop music show where you can kind of hear the latest in Korean pop music on. It's kind of like a stage show, and they perform live on this show, and I think people they have some kind of rating system. I can't tell what they're they're saying or what they're doing, but you know, there's there's like a host of the show. In between each performance, they kind of have a board with all the people who are performing on the board, and I think they're rating them the somehow and you know, some of them are more hip hop oriented, some of the more pop oriented. One song in particular, was kind of like felt like a nineties RB tuned to me in terms of the melody. Um, I think in terms of what Americans are listening to right now and what Americans find, uh, pleasing to the ear in terms of what pop music should be. Some of these Korean and Japanese rappers seem to really be gravitating toward that. Sounded kind of mastering it. Um and, you know, I think it's only gonna be a matter of time before some of these artists blow up over here. Uh, there's this Ah, one artist, um whose name? SCL. She has this track out called The Baddest Female. And the video that she has for this song is like Justus outlandish, expensive and his illustrious as any rap video that anybody is making over here and the flow that she has on the song The beat that she has on the song. It's like an absolute Bangor and it's hard. It's like, really visceral kind of catching a huge fan of hers. I think she has that kind of, like bad bitch vibe that works in a way that most of those, like K pop girls, they just don't really have that. And that seems to be able in American audiences respond to for sure, you know. And there's this other kid, a Keith ape who kind of has that song. It sounds like a total rip off of that. Oh, gee, Mac o song you guessed it, Um, and, uh, I actually, uh, like both tracks, although macro seems to be pretty mad that Mr Ape is blatantly ripped off his song, which, you know, he definitely has. But, you know, with artists like that who have shown that they can pretty much remake a song and have it be Justus entertaining as the original, if not more entertaining because there are some people are gravitating toward his version a little bit more. Um, you know, it's only gonna be a matter of time before he's putting out original material That's gonna grab the attention of, ah, of Americans as well. You know, I always thought that the and not that the UK hasn't had its moments in the sun in terms of hip hop. I mean, you know, the streets was really fantastic in the two thousands. Um, you know, because of the lack of a language barrier, I always thought the UK might be first to sort of explode in the U. S. In terms of an overseas presence in hip hop. And, you know, uh, some of these Korean and Japanese artists are kind of convincing me that it might actually be the East where we might see, like a really big blow up of in terms of like, a hip hop artists catching on over here. Ah, so question from an anonymous user, uh, weird vibes on MTV was a good experience. Question marks. That sounds like you were on MTV. I Could you explain what that was and tell us if you enjoyed it? Um, my friend Shirley bra Ha, who right now currently owns Marni the dog that is her dog. And she runs the instagram account for this some beautiful old dog whose tongue hangs right out of her mouth. And she's a wonderful little pup puppy. And she takes tons of pictures with this dog in just funny positions or funny, you know, places. And this dog is so adorable that, you know, she she only needs to walk somewhere within the vicinity of a celebrity. And this incredibly famous person will run over and be like that is the cutest dog I've ever seen. And then she'll, like, take five pictures with this person. There was even, like, a whole page devoted this dog on a, um People magazine in one in one particular issue, And she used to run a New York based kind of local television show called New York Noise, where she would just feature local acts and and, you know, just talk about up and comers in New York City. And, you know, she was doing interviews and producing the show and getting, you know, guest hosts on the show and that she essentially just kind of took that very same format to MTV for a little bit and call that weird vibes. And she was just a big fan of, ah, me and my show. And she just invited, uh, my roommate, Mr Culture, Chest on to, uh, to guest host one episode. So was it a good experience? Yeah. I mean, it was a pretty good experience surely Is just, you know, a friend and sort of going down there. It didn't feel like I was dealing with MTV or anything like that. You know, there was no boardroom of people or anything, you know, overseeing what exactly was going on with the show or what? I was going to dio um it was just, you know, she was the only person I was really dealing with, you know, However, whatever the approach MTV was taking with her show at the time, it was pretty hands off. And they just kind of, you know, let her do what she was. Whatever she was going to dio, you know, I think it was kind of MTV s attempt. It kind of Ah, really, I guess, Ah, trying to connect with the indie crowd and and surely seemed like an avenue for doing that. So they kind of, you know, gave her full creative control over the show in terms of what happened on it and what songs she played and music videos and the guests that she had on. So I mean, yeah, I was just kind of like, you know, hanging out with a friend. And it wasn't exactly, you know, sillier professional or big budget or I mean, it wasn't exactly professional, a big budget or anything like that. But, you know, it was just kind of silly in just a fun time. Cool. Another question from DEA for us, Other than twin shadow, who else have you seen fall from Grace recently? Who did you use to admire greatly and now consider falling. I mean, it's kind of hard to say total fall from grace because, I mean, I don't know. There's some artists that there was a moment where I was pretty unimpressed with Cage the elephant, for example. And there, lad, their latest album actually thought was actually great. So, you know, I think, uh, I think you know if if I am reviewing your stuff and I'm trying it out even if I don't like it, there's at least maybe possibly, like a glimmer of hope somewhere for me that, you know, one day down the road, you might make a record I'm interested in. But as far as like another artist whose newer work I you know, I used to love their older stuff. And now, as far as like to records down the road, I'm not really liking where they're going at all. Um, maybe the Neuf Oxygen album as well, which was incredibly long and incredibly, just at least for me. Unfulfilling. But yeah, that would be another example. Ah, another anonymous user. How do you organize your vinyl collection? And at what point do you decide to keep a record or let it go? You can't keep all of them can you? Um I mean, there's some records that I trade. I guess it just sort of depends on whether or not I find myself. Excuse me. Coming back to it. There's a handful of records from when I was first, like vinyl collecting and CD collecting to that, I sort of, you know, regret having ah, uh, given up. But as far as organization, I mean, it's just alphabetical South Medical. Easiest way just alphabetical. But I can't see myself doing it any other way. Honestly, like, you know, it just seems like the most. The most obvious thing. Another anonymous question. Do you think that rap artists today tend to toot their own horn a bit much? Um, yeah. I mean, sort of Ah, bragging. The thing about hip hop music is that from its earliest days, um, there's been a serious sense of competition in the art form, you know, because you're not really talking about, uh, you know, somebody like Drake, who has producers and records and, you know, huge label behind him. You know, you're talking about a D. J. And maybe a series of different rappers or emcees coming on the mic to kind of out do one another. You know, hip hop, which we know today is like this commercial force in mainstream music is born out of that trend, you know? So, yeah, there are a lot of rappers that toot their own horn. I mean, you know the music. The art form is kind of born out of that. Um, you know, ah, wrapping was something that, you know, is kind of born out of competition. You have battle rap, kind of making a comeback right now in terms of an online presence, because, you know, people are sort of interested in that competition of who is the best rapper who is the best emcee. You know that there are some rappers out there who are tooting their own horn that I mean, it kind of bores me because I think they're kind of illegitimately tooting their own horn. Like you may think you're the best, but I don't. You know. So So any attempt they make at bragging just sort of, you know, goes in one ear and out the other, but I think there are plenty of artists out there in the underground that focus on other things. Whether it be kind of social, larger socio political topics or something like that? I mean, you know, the new Kendrick Lamar album has been pretty fantastic in terms of that, you know, hip hop has, ah, uh, matured a lot in terms of the genre. I mean, you know, don't expect to hear the most creative artists in the in the mainstream, But that's kind of the case with with every genre of music, the biggest, most popular artists out there aren't always necessarily those who are bringing alternative ideas and playing with an alternative sound. While there is some great music out there in the mainstream, um, you know, it's it's often the underground where you're going to hear, like a lot of weird, oddball left field risk taking stuff. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to try to find the band out there that, uh, has, like, you know, absolutely no followers or listeners whatsoever. You know, there are plenty of artists out there that are doing independent, and while they may not be huge, they have ah, kind of a sweet little cult following that love, their sound and love there direction, for example, I would check out the wrappers over at a Hellfire club. People like Open Mike Eagle, Milo no can do. Ah, bus driver who had a new album out last year that I thought was fantastic, just really kind of creative left field, kind of nerdy, oddball hip hop that, you know, doesn't necessarily talk about the the braggadocious stuff. Maybe there's a modest rappers that are like, you know, not saying in the best rapper. I'd like to think I'm in the top, you know, 50% but I'll leave that up to you to decide. I mean, it's they're not really arguing that point as much as they are just like, uh, for example, like on the new Bus Driver album that was a one track in particular where he's rapping about, uh, you know, sort of not being, ah, sort of a dependable counterpart in a relationship. And it's it's kind of like a really emotional sort of self effacing song. You know, he's not rapping about being a rapper, though there are moments where he does that. And there's a one funny moment, I believe, on the second track on the album, where he's kind of ah, rapping about how people talk about hip hop in the grander sense and sort of, ah, in a tongue in cheek way asks like is hip hop? Does hip hop have the body to pull that dress off? What does hip hop check in the gender box? You know, just just funny little observations like that. Meanwhile, dudes like Milo are constantly making references to, ah, famous philosophers. Guys like Open Mike Eagle are just incredibly funny, witty down to earth. There's one track in particular off of his new LP, where he, uh, puts out a line about checking the talking about, like spying in the N s A. And then he ends the line saying something about the Constitution's terms, terms of service agreement. So just some some interesting wordplay coming from these guys. And they're just kind of talking about topics that you wouldn't necessarily here in a hip hop song. Um, you know, also death grips as well, you know, though I don't totally consider them traditionally to be hip hop there. Most definitely hip hop act in a sense, and they make this incredibly noisy, grimy music that can at times be braggadocious but is more sort of aggressive and angry and sort of in your face and the way that a metal or punk song would be Got time for a couple more questions here, one that I'm also curious about. Do you see the needle drop growing beyond YouTube may be on the other media platforms, such as Twitter radio. Um, I actually, uh, I'm getting my Web site redesigned right now. And once I do that, I'm gonna be bringing on some, uh, some some more writers. And I'm actually hoping to ah, start doing live segments once again, whether that be maybe on a platform such as Twitch. I have had an offer from an Internet radio station to do something with them as well, which I'm kind of still considering. I just kind of have to get this website thing done first. Before I sort of continue, uh, or consider branching out beyond YouTube because, you know, this this new site is really going to kind of be the hub where, you know, I kind of ah, promote and advertising and share and disseminate all of these new things that I may be doing and trying, you know? But I already I already put out so much video content. I want to create Ah, hub on the Internet where I can kind of adequately organized these videos of all these different genres that I'm reviewing and just kind of give people a solid archive that they can kind of sift through. Um uh, to sort of, you know, find out about past albums that I have loved and other records that they may be curious about, whatever my thoughts are on them. And, you know, from there I can kind of, you know, talk about maybe these live shows that I'm doing and doom or editorial content and, you know, potentially do some Internet live streaming events as well. Ah, how long is the take, maybe seconds? Listening to a song that listening to a song to know whether you like it or not, I kind of decide whether or not I like something really quickly. But in terms of, like, you know, actually making a video about and reviewing it, I kind of have to listen to a way more times than whatever. My you know, initial reaction is because I kind of have toe think about how the song works and, uh, try to get into the details and sort of come together with a concise, accurate but also simultaneously like, entertaining description of whatever is going on. Um, and sometimes through that process, I realize, Well, maybe this song isn't so bad. Or maybe I really liked it. Or if I started off like any, I realized that I don't really care for it that much. Um, you know, uh, an initial reaction is cool. But, you know, I found that, uh, at least for me, not all the time. At least enough times to go through the process. Sometimes I end up feeling a different way about an album or a song after I have pretty much finished the review than I did when I first started. You know, writing and listening. Okay, Uh, about two more questions here, this ah, one that I'm also interested in. What do you think about this year's Coachella lineup? In particular? Is the deejay seen reaching critical mass in the festival world? Um, I don't know. You know? I mean, whether whether or not it reaches critical mass is really going to depend on whether or not um, people continue to go to Coachella if they feel like you know, they're two many DJs. And there are enough bands that they actually want to say. You know, they're completely e g m based festivals that have way more than you know, like a d J to you know, Ah, live instrumentation ratio, then Coachella. And they're incredibly popular as well. Um, I think, uh, you know, eventually e g m is going to give way to some other trend, but don't you know, don't don't necessarily expect that trend to be something more preferable than e g. M. Could be something that I think some people are sort of looking at this whole e g m thing and just, you know, looking at their watches and waiting for it to be over. Personally, I don't really mind some of it. And there are some, you know, And and there are plenty of d j sets that I'd be perfectly happy to stand in front of, because I mean, you know, I don't know how all these people are doing their thing, but there are creative ways to D. J. You know, and and some of these DJs are, you know, actually fantastic producers and amazing artists in their own right. Um uh, while I don't really see e g m as getting any more popular than has now, I mean, it's kind of captured the hearts and minds of this new young generation. Um, you know, I don't think it's going to sort of move beyond that in terms of influence or anything like that. I think there are a lot of older people that just don't have anything to do with it. Um, Aziz, long as e. G. M. Continues to be the soundtrack to people's good time, it's going to continue to exist. You know, a lot of these people go to these festivals just to, you know, have a good time in party and just, you know, see and enjoy the company of other people. And, you know, DJs sort of are really good at sort of facilitating that good time. Um, it's sort of allows people to have some music on, but you know that that is really visceral and hits hard and, you know, sounds like a party and feels like a party. And that's really what some people are at these Ah, uh, festivals for so I don't necessarily see it is a as a bad thing. I mean, yeah, it's gonna die out one day, just like everything does. Um, but, you know, it's it's not anything I'm sort of, you know, sitting on the edge of my seat for last question from Jeff Hagena Hammer How much time do you spend ending and filming per day? I am going to shoot two videos after this. And then after that, I'm gonna edit one of them. Um, so, uh, you know, I mean, editing and shooting is something I'm doing every day on how long I'm doing. It sort of depends on the video and depends on the album. Depends on the artist, you know, like with my Kendrick Lamar for review. It took me a couple of days to sort of get that review together because of how long the review was and at least me personally, how I felt that I needed to intensively Listen, Teoh the new album itself, um, some records or shorter or what makes them good or what makes them bad, in my opinion is kind of very obvious and sort of hits you right away. And there isn't a lot in terms of intricacy to the records, so sort of explaining its appeal or its lack thereof is kind of easier. Um and, you know, honestly, like while I listen to a lot of music, I love a lot of music. I hate a lot of music. Um, not every record really ends up, you know, stirring my emotions to the point where I have a lot to say about it some albums and just kind of on the fence with. And, uh, you know, I can't really muster more than just, like, you know, three or four minutes of speech on the album for whatever reason, though, you know, for some people, that would even be way too long to talk about a record. Anyway, um, you know, I've always found it easier to just go on and on and on Iran, as you already know, because I have shut up since we've done this interview. Cool. Well, I think we're about out of time, but thanks for joining us. And thanks to everybody who asked a question, very cool to have you on creativelive eso instagram is a fan tan or a font. Tano. 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