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Indoor Shoot: Senior Girl, Raven

Lesson 20 from: Senior Photography

Kirk Voclain

Indoor Shoot: Senior Girl, Raven

Lesson 20 from: Senior Photography

Kirk Voclain

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20. Indoor Shoot: Senior Girl, Raven

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Indoor Shoot: Senior Girl, Raven

so on purpose. Ravens has volunteered to be our larger senior because this this is real. I do not photograph models. Okay, Me and Raven had a conversation. So before the Internet world lights up and says, Oh, my God, Kirky, being so insensitive to that girl. Me and Raven have had a conversation before, and I told her she's gonna hear what happens inside my brain. Okay, so I look at Raven, I look at this outfit and I think to myself, very attractive young lady. Look at how big those sleeveless thing makes her arms look. Okay, so I'm thinking I gotta hide that. I'm thinking to myself, man, I gotta somehow make this girl look as attractive as possible because I guarantee you, this is what happens in the real world When you notice. I want you to do this at home. I want you to go next time you combing your hair. Look at yourself in the mirror. I noticed that you never look at yourself. Is your combing your hair? You look at your hair. If you're brushing your teeth, you're looking at your te...

eth. You never stop and go. I'm fat. You know. You never do that. Okay? And thus we the only time you have a really, really look at yourself is when you see a photograph and you got your whole self crammed into this little space and you go, Well, I'm fat. That's what happened to me yesterday when I won't react the rebroadcast. I'm like, Whoa, I got to lose some weight. Okay, so that's that's really life. So when you photograph someone who is not ah, perfect size, too. You got to do stuff to make them look as small as possible. Okay, here's one quick secret. One quick tip. I don't care who you are. We all way the same thing from here up we do. All heads are practically the same size. Okay, Some a little bigger. Some a little smaller, but all basically saying so, irregardless of how big she is. Down here, she is the same size as everybody else from the neck up. So concentrate on that and use that to your advantage. So here we go. Let me show you what I'm talking about. Still working? I am. Okay. Should Here's what I want to today. Perfect. Perfect spot. Very good. I want you to roll you toes. This way. Keep going. Keep going. Keep on. Awesome. Then what I want you to do? Take this hand this hand. I want you to hug your face right in here. Awesome. Okay. What I do not want you to do is ram your face. Awesome, Huh? Like that. Take this hand. Give me a little hug. Right in here. Uh huh. Looking over into their Uh huh, huh. Excellence. Uh huh. Uh, played just little fingers. Start aggravating me. Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Very cool. Looking right at my camera. Beautiful. Good. And we put my camera back on the other setting. Sorry. One second. Uh huh. Uh huh. Nice. Nice. Slowly, baby. When I want you to do Take everything poking at me. Stop. Tune down a little bit. Awesome. Beautiful, beautiful, Beautiful. Stay looking right down the whole of my camera to get all my toys around You. Fabulous, Beautiful, Awesome. Awesome. Right there, sugar. 123 ass. Make it flush. Okay, Right there. 123 Excellent. Oh, so I'm digging that. I love it when a plan comes together. Maintenance. Is that good or what? They're relax. Here's what I want you to do next. I want you to turn straight on to me like that. Uh huh. Yes, My Grammy reflector. And I want you to put I want you to put your fingers like this. Uh huh. That right. Pull all this to you, Pokey facing me chin down just a little bit. Awesome. Okay, A little bit higher, Like nice, little bit of twist, I guess. Good. Are you catching that? Are you all seeing how I'm like mirror mirroring her? Am I saying that? Right mirror ring her, okay. And so she is just imitating everything that I'm doing. OK, but these fingers stretch out a little straighter. Awesome. What you faced? Move in here. Could take this. Take the light that's coming from here. What? It's gonna really make the camera guys happy. Take the like this coming from here and throw it back at her. Right? They're in tight labor. Tighter, Tighter. Nice looking right at my camera. Oh, yeah. They're really happy now. Raven. The Internet loves you. They said that you look stunning already in these images. Some awesome. Okay. Rave in digging the sugar looking fabulous doll Muslim hands into your face. Thank you. Good. And then I need little flirty smile. Sugar? Too much. That beautiful. Beautiful Right there. 123 Beautiful. Oh, yeah. Uh, now what I want you to do, You can relax. Here. I want you to, like, rolling like this. Flip all lesson here. Hug yourself. Right here. Like that. Hug, hug, hug, huh? Do this with your fingers. Like that, huh? Good. Come on, Hair. Come on, Come on. Come on. One. Thank you. Okay, then. Beautiful. Beautiful. Give me that little bit of reflector again. There are Leroy, do you? Wonderful. Okay, sure. The pokey facing me a little bit. Good. Good. Little flirty with the boyfriend. Too much there. One tip. Great. Oh, that's smoking Good. She's I should do this for a living. You know, I'm just thinking about maybe blowing this all off and just start being a photographer. I could do that. I could make money of this. I'm telling you. Okay, now what happens at this point in time? The job count. What? I did three. Right. What happens in this point in time when I'm I'm going clear to click, and I'm thinking I'm a genius and she says, Oh, by the way, my mom just loves thes shoes. What does that mean? Show her shape. How can I show a shoe and not do the whole body? You see what I'm getting at? I mean, you can't go got ever laying down with her feet up. Show the show? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There's all kinds of ways to do it, but that means I have to now go into making the body. You have your jacket with you together. Heather has it her jacket. Did you would you jump ring that? Yeah. So how do I go into Bob? You know, show off the body mode? Well, fortunately for me, low ace in the hole here I have. She showed me whenever we she was looking at the outfits. She said, okay. And I can either have this with or without the jacket. So one thing that I'm gonna I'm gonna use is I'm gonna I'm gonna hide her arms, Okay? And I'm used the jacket as a as a disguise. Er so put that on for me. All right. Good. Good. God. God. Good. So if it do you see I mean, just without it very simply, It took the arms down. Okay, this this. You see this in fashion a lot. They will use, like, straight lines and things like that to make give the illusion of slim nous. And that's all I'm doing. I'm just doing what you know. I see him do that in the fashion shows and stuff. So that's all I'm trying to do. So what I want you to do, sugar, is come see real close to this background. Yup. And give me Give me a little scooch. This way. They're nice. And I want you to turn straight onto that television set. Good. I don't want you to take your left foot. Nope. I want you take your right foot and you put your right foot forward. That's good. And then been been that nature is a little bit awesome. Now roll all this back over here to me. Don't fall because I will laugh. I want you. I want you to hug this. Hug it to you. Nice. Too much. Too much better This right hand. Lower than you left hand. Nice on. Bring your faces harder. You can into your shoulder. Good. Let me try something just to see if I like it better. I want you to go take both knees and go straight. Better. I do like that. Better. Much easier to hold up to, right? Roll your shoulders to me like that. Excellent. Right there. That's where I want you to hold that right. Raven has a fan club starting in the chat rooms. What? She has a fan club starting Jen B and Gina Marie, Photography's. Oh, my gosh. She's so beautiful. They're in love with your eyes. Some some. Okay. Loving it, Miss Raven. You looking fabulous? Bay turned him shoulders to me. Sugar like that. Love you. Face you looking fabulous. A little bit of happiness coming out of your beautiful beautiful right there on 31 Great love it. Oh, but yes. Very cool. All right, So for the sake of time, yes. Very cool. For the sake of time, I think you're starting to understand what I do and how I move around backgrounds. So just to show you then what I would love from a couple of my students someone to do is simply just take this entire background out. Let's just park it right over there somewhere. Just just walked the whole thing right over there. That's that would go against the white wall, give you a bit of an idea of how you can pull off this high key thing. Try it. Okay, guys, here's what would you do? Pay? I want you right here, OK? And I want you to take a walk to me just a little bit, uh, like that. And I want you to twist your toes just a little bit to them. Uh, like that. Let that hip awesome. Then right there. I want you to take the coat, act like you take in the coat office Soon as he gets off your shoulders, hug yourself. Show me. Stop now. Okay? No. Let your hands put it back on. Grab all the way down to the corners. Try that again. Trying. Stop. Now hold yourself that. Okay, Plan B, put it back on. Uh, I want you to take Let me try. Just this one shoulder. Let me see what it does. Stop. Now hold yourself. Okay. Plan B C go back up here. I want you to take the coat. Just holding from the corners. Uh, bring you face way into this shoulder. Come back to me a little bit too much. Stop. Stay right there. Okay, So what I'm when I'm trying to do right now is I'm a take off the grid, and I'm gonna use this and I'm a shine it at the white. My jump up though exposure a little bit. And I try to put as much light as I can on that background, that white wall. I'm gonna take my main life. And like, before I what I was doing was I was feathering it this way to go past her, willing to do the opposite. Now I'm going to come from this side, and I'm a point, much of it to the background. Okay, You're catching all that, and I'm gonna shoot a full length, and hopefully we get a pretty white background. We'll see. Is gonna be a They're gonna be perfect, but it's gonna be coming too close. And then the rest we can adjust accordingly. All right, let's see. Huh? Great. I want you to have had my hands on your hips. I'd roll you to me. No, I'm sorry to them. Good. Now bring you face into your shoulder. Great like that. Let's see what that looks like. Nice, Nice. Awesome. Sugar right there. 123 Let me look very cool. And there you go. That's high key. It's exactly what I was showing you all before. Efficient, wide efficiency wise. If I had another light, like in my studio, another one of these right here, I would have gotten even. Would have been a little bit more even behind her. And so it's a simple is that it's not really, really that complicated. All right, so, yes, I'm about to show her the images on the back of my camera. You can you can show it to him alive. What I'm showing her comes the day. So real quick. You see that flashing that's happening on the back of my camera. The black It's not really black. It's the camera thing that just telling me that it's white on a weird But anyway, so you have to imagine that that blackness is not there. Those lines are not there. And that and that window and that and that's not you. Okay, so here's something for Riel. Up to this point, I'm gonna pretend up to this point that she waas a I All this conversation that we just had about her size and her arms and all this other stuff that you guys heard going on inside my mind would never, never have come out if she was a real senior. At this very moment, though, what would would would I'm looking at the back of the images, and I'm looking at the one that is a I'm looking at the one that is a a, um um, high key, I would tell her. Okay. Oh, look. See this one real quick. You know, one of the cool things that I could do inside my computers. I can go, and I won't say I'm going to squeeze you. I'm gonna make your butt smaller. I'm gonna make your waist little or I'm not gonna do anything like that. I'm just going to do this. That's all I say. And so I think Oh, really? Thank you. Thank you so much. And that's after that boom. I don't have to reference it anymore. Okay, So ah, lot of times when they don't like one of them, it's gonna be one of them. That's kind of like that that they not gonna like. And what that one is is the one where she's coming over her shoulder and they will say, I don't I don't like that one. And I will say I don't. Then we have to ask why, but she What don't you like? Oh, I don't like the way my check my cheeks look so fat. You made my cheeks look fat and I'll say Obey. Don't even worry about that. I didn't even see that because I'm a fixed that in the computer and they will say, Oh, okay, thanks. And so that's That's one of the things that I will very often do. And it just reminds me to fix the cheeks. And again, we'll be talking about that kind of cool stuff tomorrow. So questions Raven, by the way, became for Raven. Thank you for being such a cool sport. Did I tell you something to wear for the next segment? Or this was the only thing I told you to work. Okay. We'll talk about that later. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. Questions. Yeah, We have a question from Keighley. Why do you smaller apertures as opposed to a wider one like that eight, that smaller one? Because it's a bigger number, but a smaller hole. Always get that confused when people say, Which one are you talking about? Um uh, I first of all, I find I get a much better results for his depth of field. That is the real first of all. Answer that. The focus range from in front of the subject to behind the subject F eight if I'm shooting at, say, 2.8 or a five in the studio, a lot of times its head shots and those types of things. And as a result, what happens is I am I am focusing on Say this I But then this eyes out of focus. If I'm not shooting at F eight, so that is the real answer to that question. Okay. Thank you. Way talk. Camera gear? Yeah. How about your lenses? Nancy, 23 also quite a few other people out there are wondering about, you know, right now, they can't afford the 70 do the 200 millimeter lens. So on opinion of primes, you know, what would you recommend or any other zoom lens that you recommend wow for years and years and years. Back in the film days, I shot a 1 50 hassle. Glad prime. No, no zooms because I could not afford a hospital at Zoom Lens. So the equivalent the closest thing, probably to a 1 50 is probably somewhere in the Yeah, the 1 35 you know, range. So if you get just a straight 1 35 I think you would get pretty, pretty good results at the bare minimum, I would say a 100 now, almost I just recently purchased for vacation purposes. A canon makes a relatively inexpensive What is it? It's Ah, 28 the 1 35 kind of zoom. It is a little bit of image stability. I did a few test shots with it. It is not nearly as clean and sharp is the 7200. But the little bit of testing that I did with it, I think you could get some pretty good results. And I would do like what I used to dio, and that is this again. We talked all yesterday about debt and all those types of things, but if you end up buying some sort of lens. Let's say you use your credit card to buy it. Make that lens pay the bill and I used to do that. I would I would use it. And then if, if I did something with that lands and it produced a $500 sale, Well, piece of that was salary and a piece of that was electricity and rent and all those types of things. But a piece of that $500 was the payment on the lens. And so I made the lens pay for itself. So that's something that you might want to look at. Make the lens pay for itself. I don't know. That's kind of a roundabout answer, but unanswered. Nonetheless talking about here with a number of questions on How big is that South bug? Four foot by six foot. Okay, so four by six Danny and and since if I think I have three or four minutes left, I do want to show since you asked about it, I want to show Well, first of all, let me show you one thing Do you see can be Can the camera camera guy tell me, can you see how there's a line a distinct line. Thanks. So that distinct line that you're seeing down the middle is there Because I do not have the baffle in it. And that distinct line tells me that it's hotter down the middle than it is out on the edges. Okay. And that adds to that wrap around effect that we were talking about earlier today. So that is one reason why I do not have the bathrooms. Because I do want it hotter down the middle than out on the edges. So that's one thing I want you to take note of about this particular box that I absolutely loved. The other thing is, watch what it takes to collapse this thing. So this will be easier for you all to see. Okay, You don't do this. Set. Screw right here and you're out of there. That's it. I was just absolutely cool. This Howie chips to you, By the way, you're looking at it ships just like that, and then to put it back together. When you're going somewhere, you just open it up like an umbrella. You drop it into this set thing, set the screw, and that is it. It's just the to me is just a very very need. Need need need saltbox.

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Enjoyed the course from start to finish especially all the marketing, advertising opportunities and pricing ideas. My wife and I spent Labor Day re-watching the marketing and pricing section and came away again with so many great ideas. Workflow and shooting the pics is more my responsibility of my business and his posing, lighting and workflow is awesome...In the beginning of the course I was disappointed in the actions as freebies but the more I got into the course and especially the last day with workflow, I broke down and used the Pro4um coupon from the swag bag and joined. That's what really made the actions more valuable because when you join the Pro4um, you get the entire setup for Kirk's workflow. The bridge setup, the scripts etc...I greatly appreciate what Kirk taught in this course and his passion for this line of business because it's helping WHP in every area from start to finish with our buisness!...Thanks Kirk and Thanks creativeLIVE for having Kirk do this Senior Photography course!

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