LIVE Production: CJ Live with Chase and Lewis
hair ready. What's up? It's Chase welcomes in the episode of the Chase Jarvis Live show here on creative Life. You know the show. This is where I sit down with amazing people and I do everything I can to unlock their brains with the goal of helping you live your dreams and career hobby. And in life. My guest today is a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. He is the best selling author of two books. The School of Greatness and Mask of Masculinity. He's got a new show on Facebook he's got you get I'm gonna stop talking about all the things he's got because the list is long. My guest today is the inimitable Lewis house. A man in the house. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you for coming up. Thanks, man. I think it was six years ago when I was here last six years. I think it was five or six years ago because I was one of the first creativelive business classes. Yeah, that's right. We'd we'd Ah, we've been doing photography for about six or 12 months, and we started moving into some d...
esign and what we call them, you know, the money and Life Channel. And you're right. You did a like how to start an online business. That something like that. Yeah. And someone made like the Remember the $6000 I think it was. Yes. So the concept of your class was you conceive of a having a business idea, you strategize. This is like in real time. So the first day of the three day workshop, you conceive of an idea the second day you you created and plan for it. On the third day you've launched it, you launched it. And in real time, on live with the 22nd minute in 18,000 it was something over 5000. It was $26,000. A person was doing this in real time. They walked in the door creative life with no idea. And then on Day three, everyone is like, literally launching their businesses. And this ticket was going on and we did it live. Kind of like we're doing live now. It was like a very meta thing. We did a live webinar on a live weapon, and this person was like making rial legit money. And you can't create crazy like that. You know you kind of. What is it? Truth is stranger than fiction or something like that. Yeah. Um, so that was six years ago. I think it was six years. A lot has changed since. Remember that your podcast? It was It was pre your podcast. Um, And I know we had you on the show way back when and you were doing a really good job. You just transition. I think your big story at that time was going from Ah, I think you were on your you were injured from football living on your sister's couch, trying to figure out what was going on. That was a few years prior, but I started building a business and then started teaching about how I did it all. Yeah, And so that was what the Creative Life Classes. And that was our first podcast than we did Second show. We're just reduces history here. We were looking back. You looking on, Lee? Connect the dots. That s so we're connecting the dots. Looking backwards. We did a show in l. A. As a part of the 30 days. A genius syriza was what, two year and 1/2. And that was two years ago. Years ago. That was weird, because you remember, um, I interviewed you and you interviewed you in the same day. We both have podcast, like, Okay, You wanna be in my pockets yet while you're doing your lie close to mine, too. Said the same thing over. Yeah. And And we're halfway through the show going. Was this we talked about this in this show, or is this the last show Should just shared the same interview we should have. And now we would. Now we know better. Um, So, anyway, let's let's that was looking backwards. Were you? Shift gears. Now, now we look forward. Um, you have just recently launched inspiring life. Lewis House, a new show on Facebook. Watch. Yeah. What's the story there? Had to happen. You know, it's all it was. Always my dream to have a talk show about 10 years ago. I remember watching Ellen. Are there any Ellen fans? And Yeah, I remember watching Ellen when I was on my sister's couch because she kind of gave me that inspiration for the day that I was looking for. My sister had a dog. She was at work all day and she had a dog named Lady, a golden lab that would kind of lay on my lap all day while they lady lay Exactly. And we would watch Ellen and I remember being inspired by Allen and thinking to myself, Wanted to be cool one day to just, like, be on her show and dance with her on stage. And this was 2000 8009 some around there, and it actually happened last year where I got on Ellen and I got to dance with her on stage, and I remember saying to her, I was like, You know, this was a dream of mine about 10 years ago and thank you for letting me manifest this, and she was like, This is amazing. I remember that show. That was fun. And I also thought during that time I was like It would be cool toe have my own talk show toe where I could kind of do what Ellen's doing or what Oprah was doing. They were kind of my role models, right? There were the ones that I wanted to be like, but I just didn't have any credibility 10 years ago and didn't have the experience and didn't have a lot of belief in myself that I could do those things. So I spent the last 10 years developing credibility, dropping credibility, development, experience and skills. I think we gained belief the more we take action on something because we develop skills in that action taking. So that's all I've been doing for the last decade? Is just acquiring new skills, mastering them, taking action, implementing something, putting something out there and seeing what works and then going all in on that thing if it works. And the first thing I tried was I was teaching linked in early on, and, um, I launched a webinar on LinkedIn, and that brings it full circle back to my creativelive classes. I did this webinar after about two years of, you know, my sister's couch and I made $6200 in an hour, and I was like, This is it like I would do this for the rest of my life because I was broken the time. Yeah, and I went all in on that and then went all in on the next thing and just kept mastering things until I had so much credibility in it and so much belief in myself that I could use that energy and say, Okay, now, on the launch of podcast, I have no clue what I'm doing. But I just did this other thing for three years by going all in, so I think I could figure it out. Yeah, so did that with the podcast. Did it with a book. I was like, I have no clue what I'm doing, but I think I could figure this out and let me find the right people and take the right actions and just do what I did the last time in this industry. And then I was like, I think I could do a talk show. You know, I've done five years of this podcast thing with me in the studio by myself in a camera person. I think I could do this with a live studio audience with, like, a big production crew and like a lot of money on the line, right? Like a whole stakes on the line. And, um So a year and 1/2 ago, I had the opportunity Teoh pitch it to Facebook before they launched their content network and it took about a year and 1/2 for us to go back and forth because they were figuring out their platform. Um, so I'm not used to a waiting that long. I like when I havent ideo What's launching? Let's actually sell something before we create it. Right? And that's what we did on the creative live show were like, Sell this, see if people want it and then go create it. Yeah, pre sell it right? You did that with podcasting week. You said, Hey, guys, if you want this like, you can buy it. But we're not gonna give you anything right now. Yeah, And then the interest is high like, Yeah, this is really happened now. People want this now it's delivering. Let's create it. If no one bought it, you would still do it. But I want to do it right. If no one bought something that I put an idea out there, won't go create an independent independently. And I'm like, OK, well, that saved me six months of my life of not having to create something and create a logo and presentation and videos just saved a lot of time, so I always like to launch something or sell something first and then created once people tell me they want it. But let's go back to the Facebook live show. So now you just wrapped your fifth Just wrapped in? Yeah, five episodes in the first season was once a week for five weeks. Congratulations. Thank you. So it's fun. Has it feel you had this vision more than 10 years ago? Has it Feels good, man. Really good, because I think a lot of people have these visions and dreams that die like they always die off. I hear this from a lot of my friends. They've been talking about launching a book for 10 years, and they're still working on the outline. They've been talking about doing a podcast, not to put anyone in spot. How many of you have been talking about doing a podcast for a long time, But now you're here, and you're gonna launch it. So it's good you're taking the action, right? But I think a lot of people have these visions and dreams that they don't even tribe out of fear of three things. Three common fears. The fear of failure, the fear of success and the fear of judgment. And those three fears, I think, hold a lot of us back My whole life, I was never afraid of failure or success because I knew those were the foundational blocks towards achieving what I wanted. And I knew I wanted to have the success in the achievements because I could handle that responsibility and pressure that a lot of people are afraid of having. It was the judgment. What? I was afraid off that I would take Ashlan something. But the criticism I would get would eat me alive. So I was very defensive, like any negative review in my book. I was like, Screw you, You don't know. You know what it's like to write a book, You know, all these things. And, um, where was I going with this? But the Facebook show and is headed You feels good because for me, every time I bring something full circle, it just confirms that I'm capable of doing anything I want. It doesn't matter how smaller, big the project or a deer dream is like getting on Ellen. That was a big moment for me because it was like this huge stage that I was, like only, like, the biggest celebrities in the world Get on. So why would they let me, at 23 busted with a broken arm? Like, why would they have me on there? And so for me, it was a great confirming moment. Like men you worked your butt off to be even get to the position, have the opportunity to be on the show and the same thing for the Facebook show. Like whether or not it goes another 100 episodes or nothing happens. It's a confirmation that Okay, Louis, you did a lot of work for 10 years, and you're capable of doing what you say you want to dio. You're capable of manifesting the thing that you have a vision around. Yeah, it may not be exactly the way you want it to be. It may not be this perfect thing that everyone celebrates in the world. But you did it. Yeah. And that, for me, is a huge thing. Bringing things full circle because I just feel like that creates so much momentum for me. Like I just unstoppable feeling inside and self doubt is the killer of dreams. And if we don't believe we're capable. Then why would we even try? There's something so prudent and powerful about actions and actions. Realize like you have it. And then actually doing doing the thing is is you said, Ah, it's just it's key to unlocking that personal power. We all have just to be clear, a lot of people, their big goals, making their bed every day and yours is having a Yeah, you know, I'm being on Ellen. These are these are huge goals. You feel afraid that you're setting goals that are too big for yourself for that air? No, I feel if I feel scared. If the dreams aren't big enough, I feel like I'm playing to small. Like if I'm not scared of the dream, I'm going after him like that. I'm just wasting my life. That's just me. Personally. That's very treatable. Someone's tweeting that right now at home in their underwear in Ohio. Yeah, I just feel like that's my personal feeling. Based on my upbringing and feeling like that, we all have the potential to do things that we don't think are possible. Did you go from 0 to 100? You go from here from sitting on your sister's couch, too. Is this Italian G? Because I know you didn't. But what are some of the things that you did along the way? You mentioned a couple of them, but those were the those air. Still, I would consider those highlights, and I'm invoking a mutual friend of ours. Burn a brown. She calls that gold plate agree like, Yeah, it was tough. I was on my sister's couch, but then I was on Alan, your reverend. You just go from, like, broken, tired to super famous and successful. So tell us some of the things that happened. I had a line, the scenes that were hard and trying and uphill battle. And these are the things that are that go. You know, I like to think about like what? It's what you do when no one is watching that prepares you for when everyone's watching. I had a lot of fears and a lot of insecurities. It's funny because I thought I was like the man at 23. I thought I knew everything, but I knew nothing, right? But my ego is so big that I was just like I faked confidence. You know, like fake that projected. Like, Yeah, I got this figured out, but really deep inside I was so insecure and afraid of being judged. That was my big thing of being judged. And I remember creating a list of the things I was afraid off because I had a lot of time to sit there and reflect me and lady the dog. We're just sitting around all day and I started Teoh. Um, read blog's at the time. This is you know, 7 4008 was when Twitter kind of had its moment. Um, and people were doing tweet ups. And then there were bloggers and people were writing about personal development. And so I just started, like, diving and research, and some blawg was talking about overcoming fear. And I was thinking myself what are like things I'm the most afraid of that. I'll never tell anyone, but I'll tell myself because I wanted to make a small, quiet list. Yeah, no one's gonna know this because I'm too like, cocky to, like, let anyone know. Um, but I wrote the spheres and public speaking was one of them and actually, like making money was a fear because I've never made money before. I got paid to catch a football. I wasn't like an entrepreneur and I didn't never had a job. Yeah, my job in the summers in high school and college was to play football to prepare for the season. So I maybe had, like, a couple weeks jobs here and there on jobs, so I didn't want to make money. I was terrified of that, terrified and speaking in front of five people, crippling like I couldn't do it. I could do one on one well, and I could listen while in a group. But I couldn't speak and deliver a sentence without stumbling in front of a group. And so I said, Okay, I'm going to give myself a challenge in football and sports. We had challenges every single day, and we had coaches that would guide us on how to overcome our obstacles to achieve the goals. We want it. So I said I need to create my life like a sports. I need to find a coach who I trust in every area of my life, and I need to create a season for my life to overcome my fears and reach my championship, my Super Bowl or whatever. It may be up in that thing. In one case, it would be sort of public speaking. Speaking was one of those things, and I met a guy who was a great public speaker who was making a full time living doing it. And I was like, How do you do this? I have no clue. I could barely even get in front of a room of people and say a sentence. And he said, You got to go to Toastmasters and you got to do it every single week and you got to find the one that scares you the most. Toastmasters is an international public speaking group. It's all over the world. Has anyone ever heard of Toastmasters people? School I never heard about at the time and he said, Go on the Web sites, typing your zip code and there's clubs all around you. So I said, Okay, I went on there. It's like 60 bucks for the year or something, and I went to five different classes groups in a week. I went to each one that I could find close to me, and when I got to the 5th It was the one that scared me the most was like everyone was in suits. Was all like professional executives who, like, just could speak so poetically. And I was just, like, captivated by these people. I was so terrified. I was like, This is why I need to be the other ones didn't scare me as much, but I was like, these guys scare me the most guys and girls who were speaking. So I went back there the next week. I joined the club. I don't have any money, but I bummed 60 bucks from my sister toe like pay the annual dues or whatever. And at this time I had a full arm cast on swimming cast from here to here, walking around with a cut off shirt because a shirt won't go trying to wear suit with a cast. Exactly. Somewhere in this cut off football jersey that I have like a T shirt that I would wear and everyone else is in suits and I walk in there on the 23 year old punk, I've got like, a backwards cap on, like just looking like it. Ah, football jock dude, right? Just walking in here like you. And I remember being so terrified they had this thing called table talks where you get up for, like, a minute your first day and you answer some questions. I couldn't even answer these questions. I was so terrified. But thankfully they were all like you did a great job. You know, they kind of have to, like, lie to you and we'll need friends, like, positive, like feedback. Like we acknowledge you for standing in front of the room type of thing where it's like the things you did Well, good jobs have for having a face Exactly done. And here and here is the things like next week, like focus on looking us in the eyes, focused on slowing your pace. Focus on this So they'd give, like, a few suggestions. And after I went in and kind of bomb the first couple times I was hooked, I was like, I just want to get better. I want to get a little bit better every single week. So I had a coach in Toastmasters that I would fill myself, give the speech. It was like a 3 to 5 minute speech. I would do film it. We would watch it over the next day and he would give me feedback and you say, Here's what I want you to try for the next week And I did that every single week for a year and I started behind the podium with a typed out speech word for word. When I looked down on the podium at my notes or my pages and read word for word the first times without him and looking up to the point where I was like, OK, I had it all printed out but I was looking up like every minute and just like speaking and then looking up and trying to pause around right, exactly dramatic. Try to practice to the point I was like, OK, I just have no cards behind the podium still have my safety zone like behind this thing where I can protect myself but have no cards. And I practiced that and then I had no cards in front of in front of the podium and then I had one note card that I had no no cards to the point where the end of the year I was just delivering speeches over and over with ease and with confidence and getting like these standing ovations and Toastmasters, which they were just kind of write blood threat but end up exactly what I think they also They also saw like, Here's a kid who showed up every single week who was committed to improving who wasn't that good. It still has a long way to go. But, man, they could see the difference. Yeah, and it's because I created a season for myself. I said, In one year, I want to generate $5000 in a speech and I put it up on my wall as my goal. That was my Super Bowl goal, and I always put goals up, either on my mirror or on my wall. I usually framed them. I sign it. Remember the date it's going to be accomplished by Wow, I've been doing this since I was a teenager and for something. For some reasons, seeing it with the date creates urgency to for me to overcome the fear. It's like, OK, I need to generate $5000 in the next 12 months. How is this gonna happen if I can't even speak in front of a group. Yeah, and so it's constantly I look at it every single moment of the day when I'm in my room or on the Mir I see an ago. What's the action? I'm taking the day to get me closer to this by that date. And I think creating that structure just works for me. Based on my sports experience, having seasons of life where every single day there was an action plan, there was a game every single week. We filmed it. We watched it back. We got feedback, and I just repeated the process of taking action. And that's how I do everything with that format. There's this structure that I love, and I think for, um, just a small, anecdotal personal story when I bailed on the things that everybody else dropped out of medical school, bailed on a career in professional soccer, bunch of things. And the first thing I wanted was like, I'm a photographer, you know what a schedule. That's the man trying to keep me down. I want I'm on the artist. You wanna wake up whenever? Yeah, Exactly, man. Whatever. And ah, And that worked for a little while and then it stopped working because life happens and things get in the way and and you get busy and you get distracted. And then I started experimenting with Sinkala schedule and some sort of a framework. For me, it was a little bit different than what you talked about. But this is a really common thread from, you know, we've had hundreds of guest on the show, and there's, like, an action plan. It's not just random action. It doesn't have to be to each their own. And your you had your own way is framing a goal and doing something every week. Whatever the thing is, I've found that having some system works. I know you've talked to a lot of people. Is this how you have achieved all of the success? I don't Yeah, yeah, because I some sort of a framework, I create a framework. I create a season and a goal. I usually starts with a seed of a dream. Okay. My dreams to be on Ellen. Okay, well, that's not gonna happen in this season of my life. It might take three years, five years, 10 years, 20 years. It may never happen. But if it were going to happen that dream, what's the goal in the next 36 12 months? That's going to put me closer towards it. So for me, public speaking the dream was to speak in front of stadiums. Yeah, 6200 people at a time. But I was like, How is that ever gonna happen if I can't speak in front of five? Yeah, 50,000. But I came to speak in front of five. So it's for me. It's planting and just visualizing the big dream. But then saying Okay, what's the steps to getting my 1st $5000 if there's a lot of folks out there? Okay, that's cool. But I can't possibly chronicle and back out to deconstruct the steps from sitting on my sister's couch. The broken arm. Ah, to who to be on Ellen. So do you make those things up? Do you like that? Make up the story like I don't know. Like I find coaches and mentors. I find people already done it. So actually, at Toastmasters there was a guy who had a book that was featured on Oprah, so I'm picking his brain. I'm asking him I'm learning from him and how he speaks. I'm reading his book. I'm asking him. Did you connect with someone like talking about building relationships with publicists and being on local press and regional press? And I was like, Okay, let me try to get, like, a blogger written on, like a popular blawg. Then when we do, he was like, If you want to be on Oprah or Ellen, you've got to be able to perform in front of a live studio audience. You got to be able to deliver short, bite sized answers. If you only have three minutes on TV yet, right? 3 to 5 minutes. Yeah, and I did not to do that right? I learning his public speaking in front of a group, But I didn't know how to answer telephone. Based on what? Your baby, What was going to like? Make it hookey, Poppy, What was the thing that they were to say? We need you to come back every month and talk because you're amazing. So I studied that as well. So many parts off. I knew that I had to build a credible brand. I knew that I had to create results in business that were credible. I knew that I had to have an image that looked, you know, Eleanor Oprah Proof. I knew I had to write a New York Times bestseller. I would like new all the elements. Sure. And how did you know? These things like to be clear, like What are you Oh, you're really doing is you're looking at other people have been researching just ghastly. And this is, I think, that thing that keeps most people from like they tell themselves, I don't know. And there's no map for being on Ellen. There's no place like look up on the Internet, how to be an Ellen. But what I'm hearing from you and what I think is what you're saying is like Look at the people who are there. What do you have in common? What there's over has a book out called like Sunday's Super Soul Sundays. It's something else, something Sunday's sending vibes. No, it's Sunday brunch lessons of Sunday's, or some like that. It's like her lessons from Super Soldier came out like six months ago, and I'm flipping through it. It's like all of her guests and kind of like a one or two page story from each one of them and their their idea for life. And I'm flipping through this and I'm like, Man, I've interviewed that person and that person, like half the book. I've interviewed the guests, that same guest, that Oprah's interview and some just again I was studying these people that Oprah was interviewing from an early age, or the Ellen who was on Ellen. I was studying people who were getting mainstream press looking at their website, and I was like, What makes me interested in their sight? Why don't want to stick around in her sight longer? And then I just would interview designers. I would interview programmers. I just interviewed the people who built the sights and say, Why does this work? Why am I fascinated? Why do I feel like this person is more credible than they actually are? Why do I want to opt in? Why do I keep going back? Why do we subscribe to the podcast? Why did I fall on social media? And I just started just saying, How do I feel about this person? And what are the elements of their brand that makes them so fascinating. It's fair to say that you're deconstructing this success of other people that you don't have to like. What is it in order to know the stove is hot. You don't actually have to burn yourself. You can let someone else bring themselves and watch them and said, I know not to touch that thing. It's hot and by the flip side is like, What? What? When they found this success they had done, you know, X Y Z to prepare for it. I think that's a very simple and I was the youngest of four kids, so I watched my older siblings mess up every week like they were making mistakes constantly and I would watch the reactions of my parents. I would watch their feelings and emotions when they would get grounded. I would watch all these things. So I was very observant as a kid because I was like this lonely kid that was just like the brat of the four that no one wanted to hang out with. So I got very good at observing people and fascinated with um, what are people looking at? What are people listening? Teoh. What makes people cry in a good way or an angry well, what makes people come alive. When I asked this question, Why did they light up? So for me, I was always just studying people. Yeah, human behavior said. I think deconstructing the success of others is one of the bigs is the big sort of unknown commonality that will help in master. I wanna go back to something said earlier. You talked about mastering in this case public speaking, for example, and you talked about this sort of flywheel that when you could master something that gives you courage and I think use the word momentum. So, like, how important is that? Is it about starting small? Is it about doing something you didn't think you could ever possibly fathom? Like, what's your recipe for creating momentum? I think it's it's it's, um, writing down your biggest fears and the one that is the scariest thing. When you think you could never dio, then it's creating a challenge for yourself to go all in and overcome that fear because that fear is holding you back from confidence. It's holding you back from momentum and until you conquer that fear, I'm not talking about, like jumping out of an airplane or like picking up spiders, type of fear. I'm talking about, like the fears of, you know, have injection rejection or like having that conversation with my husband that I've been wanting to have for six years or having that whatever it ISS like speaking for me as a teenager, it was talking to girls. I was terrified because I was rejected all the time. I was like All my guy friends have girlfriends and I don't like what's wrong with me? Right? Um, teenage challenges, you know, things like that. And it's always the thing that I'm the most afraid of. That's what I want to conquer. So, for example, like overcoming my fear of talking to girls. I was a teenager and just never, I think, was a fear of speaking in public as well. I just never felt comfortable talking in front of people, let alone like girls that was attracted to our had a crush on. So I said to myself, I'm sick and tired of feeling this way, like I can't keep living this way. It's killing me inside, right? This is like every teenage boy's struggle and I said, every single time I see a girl that I think is attractive or cute or have like a crush on because I would never speak to them before this ever like. No way. I said, Every time I feel butterflies, I'm gonna go up and say hi and man that I crash and burn like the first week because I was. Lewis is on the rampage seven. Lewis crashed and burned, but I created a structure for myself. I said this summer, 2.5 months. Here's my season. I'm every single day. The challenge was every single time I saw someone with him on the street or at the roller skating rink or whether I was a teenager. Nice one. Really? Yeah. I used to go every Sunday with my mom. That's amazing. Well, that's part of why you won't get any girl problem. I was a mean roller skate about right now. I get it. She duck. I remember that when you're like, exactly shoot the duck on one foot and I was a backward skating guy. Oh, crossover, crossover, the electric slide. But we digress. So and so I had to see ice triggered a structure for myself. And I learned this from sports. I was like, Okay, what's the goal? The goal is to be able to talk to someone and have them talk back to me. You know, I mean, without, like, running away or whatever happens happening. And, um, first week was horrible, like, just terrifying. Yeah, you know, it was just, like, so scared to just put myself out there. It wasn't about kissing your girls just about, like being able to interact with someone. I'm not being terrified. And by the end of the summer, I was speaking to everyone like, I remember my guy. Friends would be like, Man, look at that girl over there. I would just walk up to them because I was so conditioned. Yeah, I wouldn't even talk to them about, like, what should we say? Or what's this? What's that? I would just like I am walking up. I don't figure it out along the way, and putting myself out there like that just gave me so much momentum, because once the fear is eliminated, there's nothing holding me back. Once the doubt is gone, then I could go pursue the things I wanted at that point, it was pursuing girls. But I use that analogy and was ableto pursue other things and same thing with launching my podcast. I remember 5.5 years ago when I launched it. I was going through Ah, transition in my life. I just sold a company to my business partner. At the time, I was in a relationship that was kind of like up and down and was essentially ending that relationship. I just moved from New York City toe L. A. So I was in a lot of transitions in my life. I just turned 29 and I was like, What's next for me? I have no clue. I'm a little afraid, and I was afraid of the transition. And holding onto an identity was like, How do we need to reinvent myself? I need to let go of this thing going to put myself out there, and I'm afraid, but I I said, Okay, I'm gonna give myself a challenge. I think this podcast thing is gonna work out. I just had a feeling this is before podcasting was big and there was really only a few podcasters that I was even aware of. No one is really talking about it, but I just had a feeling like I was at a podcast. You did? Yeah, five years prior, when I was on my sister's couch, I was interviewing people, local business leaders. I was using Link Dan and connecting with influencers and asking them questions about how they got to where they were. I was doing this. I just wasn't recording it and sharing it with people. But that was the secret sauce that helped me build my business for those five years. That's the thing that helped me become better public speaking and paid. That's the thing to help me, like launch of book and courses and all these things was by interviewing people. I was like, Man, I really wish people could hear these conversations. I get to hang out Chase, Jarvis said. South by Southwest at 33 AM in the morning, a some weird hotel room. This is a true story that we're not Tonto fully clothed. Don't worry on, uh, and three conversations we would have and other people I was like, Man, I'm still lucky to have these conversations because I would take it and apply it to my life for my business or whatever is happening. And I was like, I feel like I'm doing a disservice by not sharing this with other people were talking about this the other night about another thing we'll talk about off camera about if we're not following our gifts, I think we're doing a disservice to the world. We're not pursuing them at the fullest amount. I feel like we're doing a disservice. And I was like, I think I'm pretty good at like asking questions. I don't know. I've been pretty observant my whole life. This is how I've kind of done it. But no one really knows is about me. And this podcasting thing might be the right platform. I don't have to do video, which cost $12,000 a show. I could just do audio and see what happens, and I remember being stuck in traffic when this idea came off in L. A. I was like There's so many people in traffic stuck and I feel stuck in my life and maybe other people feel stuck in their life. So let me create something where people get unstuck and the school greatness. The name came to me because I feel like I didn't learn anything in school, to be honest except for studying people. And I was like, I want to share the things that I'm learning now that I wish they would have taught in school how to manage overcoming fear, how to manage communication, how to manage personal finances. Because I never learned about that, how to manage anything. And, um, I called to people who had podcast that I knew of at the time, Derek Halpern and Pat Flynn. And I was like, Tell me about this podcast thing like, Is it any is even worth it Should I do? This isn't It's a fad. And they were like, This is the most fun I have in my business right now. The audience is the most engaged of my audience, who listen to my podcast and I can't get enough of it. And remember, I told myself I was like, I'm not gonna listen to a single podcast because I don't want to be personally influenced by how someone else did their intro and their shows like, I just want to create the thing that I would want to listen. Teoh, What's that thing? I'm gonna create it. And so I just started analyzing, Like, how do I want to feel the energy? What I want people to take away from it and how do we make it? So every time they listen, they feel like they have to share it to 10 friends because it was that meaningful to their personal life. And that became the essence. I was, like, started mapping out of like, Okay, this is how the interest gotta be. It's kind of inspiring again of a quote that, like quotes, I got this. I got to say a message at the end that speaks directly to people's hearts. I was just like and every guest has to be better than the last. That was the thing that I was one of the first guests, but that was kind of like the essence for me. I was like, It's got to be different. You talked about before about like you wanted to be if you want to be great, But you also wanna be different. It was like my show has to be different. It can't just be another interview show that everyone's doing the same people. I'm sure there's gonna be some overlap, but I've got to find people that don't go on podcasts like I just had Kobe Bryant two days ago. I don't think I ever done a podcast, and for me, it's like I will spend two or three years texting a publicist, following up with someone on email every single month for two or three years to get that one person that could be the game changer, you know, and for me, that's what makes it different. That's what makes it unique. There's over 620, plus podcasts on ITunes. Yeah, why would someone listen to yours? Why is someone to get it? Get a care and you have to find your industry or your niche and see what's missing in that space and then create the thing that you would want to listen to but that no one else is doing at this point. I was able to get away with it at the time, 5.5 years ago because there weren't too many podcasts. But now everyone's got a similar form out of interviews show. Right. Um, I remember where I was going that story, but not great. I think we're still chronicling. I think being different, not better. And how did you find attitude land with school of greatness? I think just seeing that you had some friends that were getting joy and value from it you knew yourself wanted to provide a vehicle for this information for me was figure out What's my next step gonna be right now? It's stuck. And I was, like, scared of launching podcast those like, Well, what if this is a fat and no one's gonna listen to it like I don't have a platform anymore. So I got to start from scratch. I don't have this audience because I sold it to my business partner. What if no one listens? What if you know all these things I also felt, But I was like, OK, I'm gonna get myself one year and I'm gonna launch of the season thing right and get get myself one year and I'm gonna commit toe one a week for a year, which was a lot. That's a huge commitment, a lot, a lot of time thinking about starting a process. I do not recommend that right of gates. But yes, that's that's if you're if you're trying. She got a big audience already. Then it's radical action. You know, this is a mutual friend of ours. Tony Robbins. Massive action. 1st 1 The 1st 1 was on my IPhone put it down here. Wasn't allowed room. It wasn't perfect. But I had a guest. That was like a big name. And I was like, I need to record this now or what? It may never happen. I literally just press record and was like trying to speak over to it like, do this type of thing and people opening doors And it was loud. I was like, I've got a piece of content and it's really good. I'm gonna put it out there. I'll try to end it up the best way I can. But it's going out next week, and I think that's always been one of my gifts is like launching and improving as I go, as opposed to this needs to be perfect. I need all the perfect equipment right now. I need this. I need the logo. I need the design of the Web site before I can launch my podcast. No, you don't like, just get it out there and get it started because probably no one's gonna listen to the 1st 5 or 10 anyways. Yeah, but it's gonna give you the practice reps and start building momentum. And you're gonna start to believe like, oh, I can do this. And it's not that hard after all. And so I did this for the one once a week for a year, and I said, I'm not gonna monetize it for the first year. I'm not gonna bring on sponsors. I do want to add value to the world and see what happens. I remember after year one sponsors started coming in, like within 3 to 6 months because I think the essence of this show and the people I was getting on, they just started coming at me. And I was like, Nam Good. I didn't take any until after your one. And then at the end of your one, I remember starting any emails from people saying, Gosh, Lewis, like, can you doom or episodes? Because I listen to you on Mondays and then I have to listen to a podcast that I don't like the rest of the week, right, as much as yours or whatever. I listen like other stuff that's not good. And I was like, Man, one a week is a huge commitment. It was exhausting for me at the time. I really have this supporter, whatever. And I was, like, Hard to book better guest every single time. It's like the standard that I was setting for myself. So I said, Okay, I'll do two week assess of the second year. I was like Monday and Wednesdays or whatever. And at the end of that year, same person emailed me and said, I love that I listened to you on Mondays and Wednesdays But the other days of the week Friday exactly. He goes, he goes, Can you do another episode a week? And I was like, Man, this is a lot But I figured out a way to do three a week that I've been doing for the last three years. Now that's worked for me and, um, and I think that's kind of a sweet spot with my type of show is three weeks a lot, but I think it's still worse that due to long form, and I do like a five minutes kind of inspirational that's on on Fridays. So it doesn't take a lot of time for me, but two week is a lot. It's a month, Um, pretty much 18 month. But cause you're constantly booking and I'm the one booking. Yeah. So I'm running a full business interviewing, writing books, doing advance speaking, you know, doing all these other things, and you're still hustling talent. But I'm hustling talent the whole time. Yeah, which is really challenged. It keeps you really to, like, if you're doing the outreach. And what I find is that I also have the relationship your relationship with makes you better. But it's just a lot of work. Yeah, I get it. So I'm gonna go back a little bit. Thank you. Have helped us. He painted a beautiful picture of starting something small. Start with what you have launched it. A raisin. Yeah. With a season in mind and a goal at the end of that season of love. That structure it's amazing. Uh, let's talk about some of things that didn't go well because we talked is very linear success. So give us your example. And I think there's a theme here also, which I'm trying to underscore, which is probably the more you do this stuff, things that don't go right start to stop feeling like big, huge failures, and they're more like I just a little road bump. And then I just But give me a couple road bumps because we want to know your human. I think over I mean, I'm I'm pretty good at researching a lot of things before I launch something of, like having, like, a good intuition. Like I feel like this is gonna work. Well, um, and I've done enough things now that I feel like I understand. But have you ever blown the audio? You've done a whole podcast, and then you realize you forgot to hit record. Ah, no. But there was one that, like I recorded And then, like the audio broke or something, I like The editor couldn't figure out how toe edit it like it was even playing. So I felt horrible. But I do ask that person to do the interview again. Yeah, I was, like, the worst feeling ever. So that was like a small thing. But I think like I'm trying to think you know I try to over commit to doing so many things that I get excited about. I think as my audience and opportunities grow, I'm like, Let's do that and that and that and that And then I'm I have no time and exhausted and I burnt myself out. So I think it's it's learning because here's what I didn't have any opportunities when I started out. Yeah, no one cared about me. No one wanted to interview me. No one offered me any money for anything the 1st 2 years because I couldn't offer anything. Yeah, so I think it goes back to like, man, I'm getting so many cool things that are just like phone and interesting And there's, you know, and I have to turn down a lot of money now. So for a guy that was poor and broke and didn't know how to make money, the idea saying No, I don't want that $20,000 is like crazy for me to think about still, and so it's but But I also have to logically say, Well, OK, saying no, this is going to create a much bigger opportunity over here and an abundance of something else and more time and freedom. So it's just learning how to balance all the opportunity and not doing everything average but doing 3 to 4 or five things. Really, really well, all right, we've We've talked about, um, how to shift gears at a create momentum. We talked about mastery. I talked a little bit about some struggles and failures that might not be widely known and written about you. Let's talk about mindset for a second. So I think, implicit in your story about visualization of the goal and you putting it on the wall and sign your name and the date. I think I'm extrapolating that there's more to You're how you make a new manifest things into your life. So can you talk to me a little bit about that? Like, what's your process? How do you control your mindset so that you don't have negative self talks and you don't have, um, e? Think to me, mindset is a huge part of every successful person's success and deconstruct that for us a little bit like I used to be used to beat myself of all the time as a kid in elementary school, specifically middle school and high school. I think my mind was constantly negative, and I would tell the principal when I would get in trouble. I was like, I wish I were dead. I would say that over and over again, and I'm not trying to say it lightly. But I think I would say that over and over. I was like, Why am I here? I don't understand why anyone alive. I don't get the whole point of this. I was struggling in school again, the youngest before I didn't have really any friends. I was in the special needs classes. Um, I had a second grade reading level in eighth grade when I got tested, so I just kept thinking like Something's wrong with me. Something's wrong with me. Why am I even here? What's the point of this? Yeah, there's no purpose for my life. I'm taking up space. I'm wasting everyone's time. Everyone says I'm annoying, so why am I even alive? And I think I think luckily I had some great. I moved to a private boarding school when I was 13 and I think that was the turning point for my life because it was a very positive, Christian based school. Where there was structure, there was order. There was, you know, we're waking up at 6 a.m. You had to clean the room. You have to make the bed. You had to study the Bible. You had to do all these things. You had two hours a study hall at the end. You had practice after class. Um, and I was living in a dorm with 100 other boys, right? So I was around this community of boys that I felt like I had friends for the first time because I didn't feel like I had friends growing up. And I started to develop my mind a lot, I think, in high school. And that's why I started to study people. Yeah, and realized OK, why is this person talking to me? Why are they interested in me? And when I got really good at sports, I realized everyone wanted to be my friends. And so I was like, Okay, let me keep doing that because that's working people like me now and then. When I lost my ability to play sports, I was so terrified that no one was gonna wanna hang out with me anymore. Good childhood trauma, skill that I had Not now I no longer have. Like, my ego is stripped. So why would anyone want to hang out with me if I don't? This value and I went to a Tony Robbins seminar. Actually, when I was, like, 15 or 16 my dad bought me ticket and my mom to go in ST Louis, Missouri. And remember, he, uh it was like a three day event. And there was all these, like Super Bowl winning sports coaches and athletes and, like Donald Trump was there at the time. I was It was funny. It was like back in or seven, right? 27 years ago. And I remember Larry as 20. Larry King was there, too. And I've interviewed Larry King now, so it's like, so funny. Um, it's all these people were There were kind of like my heroes of the time in the sports. Here is maybe not Donald Trump, but everyone else was like sports. Here are coach and I got to meet these people. And remember, there's 15 to 17,000 people in this arena. Huge arena. Tony packs it and I'm like, 16 years old, 15 16 and I'm sitting kind of like Call it the 50 yard line of this arena, right? Like the middle, the middle back, middle back right now, But I'm in the aisle cause I'm 64 at 16 so I'm like, we gotta sit in the I also have leg room. This is like Rose and at one point, Tony, who is larger than life already. He's on your huge human 68 and his energy is so big on stage like you could feel it throughout the whole arena. He gets off stage. I'll never forget this. He gets off stage. They're playing the song. Don't worry, Be happy as he's walking around. It's like whistling, too, you know, and it comes around and he's like walking closer to me. I'm like, Oh, shit, this guy's big walking closer and closer and he stops like this close to me. He doesn't look at me, but he's looking out above, above my head and just kind of speaking to the audience, and I don't remember what he said, but I remember the way he was making me feel like the energy he possessed in that moment, I was like, God, I wanna have that. Whatever that is, I want that because I didn't feel that at the time, I was like, whatever that is that confidence, that belief, that presence that was just so magnetic. It was like vibrating in my heart. I was like, I want to be speaking in front of arenas of, like, 15 50, people doing this. But I have no clue how it's gonna happen because I have no clue why I'm even alive. I have no clue what's happening in my life. Have no purpose. Nothing. So I gotta start getting work. But it was it Was it school high school that started give you that structures, High school, gaming, that structure. Yeah. I mean, middle school. I started in eighth grade when the high school was really a structure living in a dorm as a boarding student gave me that structure. Um, it was really powerful because I didn't like the the structure of first. But then I craved it, and I was like, That's not familiar. I was like, structure allowed me to have more freedom. Yet it's probably same with an artist. Exactly. if you're just like go shoot a photo, you're like, What am I shooting it off? But if you're like I want you to shoot a photo of a mountain and I wanted to be in this frame, then you could be as creative as you want within that structure. Right? Great creative constraints and contacts. Yeah, and also doing it Not necessarily Only when you feel like it, he's right. You had to get up and make your bed and said, OK, let's stop. There would have been every day. Totally. The artists that just makes stuff when they're inspired doesn't make very much stuff. Yeah, so I think there's there's that structure to me is a really simple on extrapolated ble thing. Toe every endeavour. You know, we're talking about, you know, the school greatest podcast right now, But there's people at home listening. It doesn't matter. You're talking about building a business, um, losing weight, finding a new mission and vision for yourself. Infrastructure just sitting down as a writer, you've heard writers talk about time. Just sit down and write 500 words a day or 1000 words a day. And if you write 1000 and only 200 more. Good. You can have a 60,000 page. Well, I'm not gonna do the math. That's too right. But you get it in a few months. Thank you. Recovery? Recovery. Um, so So I mean the mindset. Yeah, it has been, Ah, process. It wasn't like it. It happened all at once at one moment in my life where I was like, Now I have this mindset. When I was five, my dad, um my dad never carried a watch, but he was always on time. I don't understand it. He had a clock at his office and get a clock at the home. But he never had a watch on and I would ask, and he and he would never celebrate my birthday growing up. So I was the youngest of four. Didn't get attention as it was. Most people like, Oh, you probably got all the attention cause you're the baby. I got no attention. My brother was in prison for four years when I was eight till 12. So my sisters were like, getting into trouble. So all the attention was on my siblings and so I started to get into trouble to try to get more attention. And I don't have a birthday celebration when I was when I was a kid and all my other friends can just Yeah, And so my my other classmates would have these birthdays and my cakes and presents, and I never got any of that. I remember one day asking my dad like, how come you don't celebrate my birthday? Do you not love me? You're not proud of me. And he looked me in the eyes. He was like, I'm so proud of you. I love you so very much. But the reason I don't celebrate birthdays and the reason I don't have a watch of my my hand constantly look. Checking time is because I never want you to be limited by your age. I never want you to feel like you're too young to try something. I never want you to feel like you're too old to try something, and he's and I don't understand it at the time. If I as a sage, it's amazing. But he was like so many people that I am around say they can't do something because I'm this old on this young I'm whatever. I don't have enough time. I don't have enough time. There's not enough time in the day. And he said, You know, I never want you to be limited bigger age. So never think about your age is a limiting factor. And so, you know, I still was like, Yeah, but I want some cake, you know, it's like, How about a birthday present? I was like, this cake Celebrate me for a moment, but I really I think we, we we ah, we learn through observing our parents. We learned from like listening to them over and over whether we think we're learning it or not. But I just always like my dad said I could do anything I wanted any age and I'm gonna believe it. And I think I started to create that. Those results at an early age was like, Here's an example. Here's proof that it's possible. Let me find more proof that I can achieve anything. And when I turned 20 to 25 I wrote a book before 25 no one else my age was doing that when I was just like Who says I need to be 30 or 40 or have a degree or have this like who says that like my old man says, I can do whatever I want type of thing, you know? It's like and I think we can. It's just whatever we believe. So for me, I've always been obsessed with learning those mindset principles. What do you do on a daily basis, If that's that's sort of strategic and philosophical, like, What's your day today? Look like I'm guarding my thoughts all the time. Yeah, I'm not in this, you know, the religion that I was went to this school for. I'm not really in the religion, I would say. But there was a quote from the book that would say Stand Porter at the door of thought and I would always think about that. It's like, What's the things that's going in my mind? Why don't I keep saying I'm not good enough? Why? Don't keep saying I'm to stupid. I'm dumb. I'm never gonna do well in class. I'm never gonna be able to do this like I would say that over and over again. And so I just started guarding those thoughts and I was like, No, that's not going to enter the door to my mind anymore. Yeah, And so I just started focusing on the things I was good at. I was like, Man, you're You're great athlete. You have amazing vision. You're a great teammate. You're really good at this. You really care deeply about people. And so I just started allowing those thoughts to come in. It's pro. This is like a two million year old organ, right? It's not meant to keep you happy. It's meant to keep you alive. And I think you got it. You have to actively program. Ah, you know the positive thoughts. I think that you look at a world class before. That's another really consistent theme in the show. Every world class performance been here has a mindset, a set of principles around framing what's possible in their mind. I asked someone one point. It was like a health expert. I was like, Man, it's really hard for me not to eat sugar like I just love case and cookie like any time you get it. When I was eight last night, it started to settle side story this for the folks at home. So last night, Louis time out to dinner if I didn't see each other a while. Oh! Oh, I had a good time. We had some steak since a vegetable that steaks Prinze both that states Prinze green beans and Ah. And then the server came by with Okay, well, okay, Clear their server, cleared our plates and came back with dessert menu. Say, what would you like for some dessert? And we're like, Yeah, we'll have the green beans and the Prinze. And we had an entire second meal, and it wasn't sugar. And your Yes, sorry. I digress. But so anyways, for me, sugar is kind of like my vice, right? I've never been drunk. I've never been high. I've never taken drugs, but sugar is like, this is true. When? When? When we ate that second meal. And the food is always like, Oh, I made it through without given ice cream. That's my drug. And, um was I said, Oh, yeah, I was asked this help expert. I was like, How do you not crave sugar? Like this is the thing that's the hardest for me. And she goes, I just etm or good things. And I'm just full by eating mawr, things that are good for me. And so it's kind of like I just add more positive thoughts into my mind. Open the door for positivity. And if there's 100% of the space is full with good things like it's hard for negative things to get in because I'm already full, you feel fulfilled. I think the the philosophy is called crowding out what it is. Yeah, I think like you overcrowded. But whatever it is that you don't crowding, so there's so much positive. Like I just live in gratitude, a simple, practical thing, like every day I wake up and I say Thank you. I just say it to myself. I think it I say it out loud to my girlfriend. I just say Thank you. I'm so grateful that I have another day to live my gifts, to pursue what I want to experience my dreams and to just be alive. Thank you. At the end of the night, I say three things. I'm grateful for every single night to my girlfriend. I asked her what she's grateful for first, cause I'm always evoking it out of other people and by invoking it out of other people. You're being a ripple of positivity and inspiring them to be more positive. And then I'll repeat back when I'm grateful for and every time I do that, I just feel at peace because some days I'll be very overstressed and overworked. But when I put gratitude in my mind in my heart that I feel a piece, gratitude is the antidote to anger, fear, rush, frustration. You can't actually be grateful and get the same. Exactly. So my voicemail. When someone calls me, I say Thanks for calling. Tell me what you're grateful for first and then what you want. Otherwise I won't get back to you. So I'm constantly just trying to practice gratitude. Yeah, and I'm asking people all the time. You know, when I do like a Q and A at an event, tell me your name and tell me what you're most grave before we'll do this here and for me. It's just it's a practice for me because I can be very negative if I don't practice it, go back to crowding. Exactly. So was played with speed around here. Um, I we've had a conversation before, and it was framed around the perfect day. Give me, You know, the 60 seconds on the perfect day exercise that you've shared with me before. I think it's great to put here in the casket was a separate, separate environment where we did this exercise. Yeah, I did this one. People, When people tell me they're like, I'm not sure what my passion is I'm not sure what I want. I'm not sure like what I should do next. I feel stuck in my life, and I say, Take out a piece of paper and on the front page, I want you to write down if you could wake up anywhere at any time with anyone eating anything, experiencing it in any way, write that down. Like, how do you want to wake up? For example, I want, you know, wake up. This is a woman I wanna wake up next to the man of my dreams. And so I'd have them write this down. And he looks me in the eyes every single morning and tells me how beautiful I am. Okay. Write that down and he rubs my back and he opens the curtains to a beautiful ocean view or a beautiful mountain view or beautiful tree view. We make coffee together. We've never you're gonna say, Make something else. Whatever it does something to make coffee, we make coffee and it's like writing in detail descriptive detail. What would that perfect day would be like and imagining every moment. Where are you? What are you doing? What do you creating? You get to be the artist of the Year Day, right? What would that painting look like? And obviously like if you do that every single day, you're gonna get bored, so it's going to change. But like, imagine, what would it be like? An essence of a perfect day And write it down from the very moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed, write it down description and then read it back allowed. And is there anything missing? If so, write it again until you feel like man, that would be an incredible day that anyone would feel proud of. And if that was my last day, that be an amazing great day. So once you write that down on the page, descriptive detail, then flip the page over and write down that time that you wake up, Maybe it's 60 m 9 a.m. Whatever it is that time and then every 30 minutes. Right? A schedule. So this structure Yeah. So you need to have the big dream that, like visualization of like I want to be on l and I want to be this. I wanna have the man of my dreams. Okay, Now, what's the structure Looked like? Six AM Wake up 6 10 in the shower. It's not a sexy right. 66 30. Like making coffee and making copies. Visit consistent. 7 a.m. It's like meditating, working out like whatever it is, it's like you structure it out throughout your whole day until the didn what you do when you go to bed. And now you have order in your life where you can be more flexible and you don't have to stick by these hours and like a robot every single day. But I learned this way when were playing football my first season. I'll never forget this playing football. I would go into the locker room every practice and there would be a piece of paper hanging on my locker and it would have a schedule from, like 3 30 Put your pads on 3 40 on the field. 3 45 stretching, you know, four o'clock water break. It would be special teams offense. Defense. It would be like a five minute for coaches speech. And everything was detailed in structured so that when we were out there in those time periods, we could be creative. Yeah, we could play. We could be fluid as opposed to see on the field after school. See, out there like me, that's not a structure. And everyone's just kind of doing their own thing. There's no order. But by having a schedule in my business with my team, with my personal life, everything, um, gives me more freedom and flexibility to create the life that I dream about on my perfect day. Amazing. We're still in the speed round, so No, no, no, no is good. I love it a lot. Um, you've mentioned sugar. You mentioned sugar cake or ice cream. Who? Um, I think ice cream consistently, but a good cake is hard. You work out in the morning or the evening. Right now. It's the morning. Yeah, because, uh, when I when I wake up, Make my bed work out. It's like the rest is gravy because health is number one. Yeah, What's your Do you have a new eating program that you tried outline with? Or is it just try to eat whole 30? Because I feel the best when it when I eat kind of whole principles. Which is no sugar, no gluten, no dairy. No grains were talking last night. Would you like the cheese of the cake? You know, like I thought you were just on the whole 30 way, But I think it was like the Yeah, OK, hee. Okay. Okay. The hard cheese things is how we justify. I think you should have been there last night. Um, are you Ah, morning person A night person? I'm not a morning person, but I do the things I don't like to dio to make me better. So I get up early and I work out when I'm tired because it makes me better. Um, when you go for a runny of music or no music. Ah, usually no music. But today I put music on and it was it was fun. It's a beautiful morning here. It was nice. Um, are you more of a reader or podcast listener? I have probably read maybe five books my entire life. Yeah. Cover to cover. I'm a skimmer and an interviewer. So I'll interview the author, and I try to get the things out of them that they don't even talk about in the book. Wow. Yeah, Um, what's something that if someone would that that you could reveal to us that you haven't revealed in other places, that if someone was to hear that they would be surprised about me, Yes. No, about me. No, of course. I thought about someone I interviewed knows something about me that if I revealed it would be like, Wow. Even the people who have listened to all 400 of your podcast with, like, 691. Thank you. I would never No, that about I think I shared a lot that I was like, you always afraid as a kid. And ah, what? Tell the principal I wish I were dead. I only talk about that much. Um, surprising. Um, I didn't have to be big. I don't know how how much I want to share, but ah ah, I have a dream of being on dancing with the stars. Oh yeah, and that's one of my things on my wall that I have been looking to manifest since, like eight years ago, nine years ago. Wow. I was like, What are the things I need to dio to get on that show? Because I started learning salsa dancing about 9 10 years ago, and that was another fear of mine dancing and dancing in public. And so I started dancing five days a week. I was what? I was a truck driver at the time, driving from Columbus to Cincinnati and back. It's about Ah, about a six hour total thing where I was driving car parts in a huge truck. That was the biggest truck you could drive with a normal license before you get a trucker's lifetimes. So, Dr that two hours down the Cincinnati drop off car parts drive back. It's about a six hour journey total, and I would listen to salsa music the whole time down and back in a CD that my friend made for me of the salsa hits. I would watch YouTube video tutorials every night in practice by myself, like I was dancing with a partner in a mirror by myself, and I would go out five nights a week and practice until the fear disappeared because I was terrified to dance in front of people. So at that time, I was like, man dancing with the stars. This would be incredible. But I'm not famous. I'm a nobody. I'm just like this white boy from Ohio. Like, what are the steps to getting there? I was like, OK, I'm gonna manufacture this. I'm gonna manifest it. And, um, I actually thought I had a chance this time being on, but it was maybe only in my own head that I had a chance. But, you know, I'm working on it. Heymann, if what you have accomplished in your life is any indication, we will look forward to seeing you see it. Everyone's gonna vote for May. That's right. We'll see you on dancing with the stars very, very soon. I'm so grateful for your time. But I really appreciate you making the journey. Please help me by saying goodbye, Lewis house Give a big, creative live shot out. Thank you so much, but all right, that's that's about a rap for the show. I want to say thanks for tuning in, and, uh, we'll be back again. Hopefully tomorrow. All right. That's rap s. So this is again we're still in a way longer than we have a long list, but we're still in character, right? Because this is what normally happens. So there is that There's a big like. Okay, cool. Thank you. Man, That was amazing. I appreciate you sharing things that I haven't heard from you and other places. Um, so now that we have a couple of things, I need to get photographs. OK, we've got photographs together. Um, so Okay, we've got a photographer here. This is just this is exactly what I do every time I want you guys to see. This is for the thumbnail for the YouTube stuff. So we're leaning in here, Make sure these but these mikes item are actually do this Will put him in here close. We'll do this here. Lean in. Weird. No, there's no sound. Get silent. Shutter someone for the click. Here it is weird looking at all. You're all okay. And then we're just gonna do I do a single now. Just a just a view. My phone. I think somebody else Thanks, Lacey. And then ah, has, uh, probably member this. I always do a quick selfie here for my my social. Yeah. Good. Stand up. I mean, don't seem to talk because you're like, slouch. We gotta get her as in the same plane there. Let's turn this side and then let's do this with everybody. The background. What's up? Oh, God. Here we go. Nice. Awesome. And I think that's it. I want you to know that, you know, like always will have, ah, package of social assets. We're going to create some instagram story stuff for you. Someone by ones for Twitter. A little pull up. A couple pull quotes will share on that with you when we're going to go live. I don't have a date for right now, I'm pretty certain will be And Julie will be in touch sweeter. All right, so that's what it feels like on the front, the middle and the back of the chase Drivers live show. Now what? Give it up for chase. Yeah,