Sharing Images

 

The Art of Being a Second Shooter

 

Lesson Info

Sharing Images

This is basic stuff, but again, we're going to the basics because I had said to the students in the classroom that today's going to be a basic about logistics, and tomorrow it will be about a little bit more about the frills, about the bells and whistles of what we do a second shooters. Now, um, it bears repeating different photographers request different things were going to kind of go through that, and you're gonna find out where you prefer and help identify, so that when you're working with the first photographer, you can ask how they want their image is delivered. Now some second shooters will be turning in their memory cards at the end of the night. This is because you were shooting on the first photographers cards. You have to know that in advance. Oh, and sometimes, if if if you're shooting on a first photographers cards you would be you're going to be tempted to go through and want to delete the crappy photos one by one as a first photographer, if I go through your cards and th...

ere is not a single crappy photo on it, I'm going to be pissed off at you because you could accidently reformat your card or it is like delete one, delete all or whatever, no leave the crappy ones in there. You know like j t this e when I would take a bad photo I would go back and and delete it and I remember just walked by and she saw me doing deleting a photo and she said, you know you can delete your entire your entire card like that and I actually did at one time I had clicked on the delete all button but mike I don't know what it was but it said are you sure you want to lead the entire card and that's what I said no but had I just you know, push the button again that entire card would've been gone so I'm not doing I please include the crime photos I don't think less of you I understand that everybody okay um and if you're turning in your cards at the end of the evening you may or may not see your photos so you have to understand that in making the decisions moving forward secondly some photographers will request that you download all of your images from your cf cards that night so they will either bring a hard drive or they will bring their own computer and you dump all of your photos on that word of caution. If this is what they ask you to do, the on ly person who will have your back is yourself so what I want you to start doing is downloading your cards during dinner downloading your cards during the downtime because if you're off the clock at ten and then you just start downloading your cards at ten, you're going to be there another hour and that's in an hour. You're getting paid on that first photographer that's, not his or her responsibility to say, when are you doing this? You should be doing this, so making sure that that's out in the open now, thirdly, you can send all of your images on a hard drive to the main photographer, so sometimes if the night got a little hectic photographer say, just send me a hard drive and I'll send it back to you. Now a couple of photographers will get really irked, but I would pay for the shipping. It doesn't bother you. It was a nominal fee for me to pay, and some photographers were like, I would never shit a hard drive because that's taking out of the money that they're paying for me to shoot and I understand it. But for me, I wanted the experience, experience, experience, and it was like seven dollars to ship a hard drive. I was not gonna, you know, squabble. Can you refund me the seven, it just wasn't worth it to me in that capacity, but if it does mean something to you I'm putting the gear on the agreement that you just you know right that they pay for shipping absolutely a flat rate for shipping um next, some photographers will have you choose your favorites, so if you shot, you know, twenty, five hundred images that day they'll say send me your top five to six hundred sixty eight hundred whatever the case may be because they want you to do your own cooling so they're not having to go through all of your image is what I want people to do is to make sure that they're aware of timing if if you're working with some of the latter ones sending the hard drive calling your images, make sure you ask for a deadline because a lot of homes for talks with just sent me the images you might do it in a week when they really needed by the following tuesday, and if they tell you tuesday, make sure the images are to them on tuesday that you're not shipping the images on tuesday because photographers on a timeline and you need toe really respect that what you don't want to do is be, um an impediment. What you want to do is you want to make sure that you're a help and definitely not an impediment as he moved into those long term relationships second shooter hotline this again yesterday, we're talking about today, we're talking about the logistics tomorrow we're talking about bells and whistles. The second shooter hotline is one of those bells and whistles I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with because I want to put out a request specifically for your questions. So your questions people talking online because what we notices that the pattern is people are asking questions in response to what we're talking about, but what we want our specific questions related to difficult challenges that we have faced with a first or second shooter, because now he's going to be the time for us to open up and be really honest. Now the best part of this situation is that we are going to be reading these anonymously, so any sort of identifying details or names will be removed. But what we want to do is have people be really forthcoming so that we can all learn collectively about the relationships and things that might have happened between first and second shooters. So this is going to happen tomorrow give you a sneak peek of two really difficult it's sticky situations. Ah, first photographer left this second photographer alone for three hours and then the first photographer, the second photographer found the first photographer in the bar with the bridal party and the first photographer said, you know what? You were alone for three hours, and I'm just gonna consider that a break, and I'm not gonna pay you for your time. The second shooter did not know that this is going to happen. Another sticky situation was that there was a second shooter who got reamed with a lawsuit because the first photographer skip town without giving the clients. The images were talk about how that person fared after that, so there is a lot of sticky situations now we want to talk to these so that people learn from each other and it's not gonna be faux pas because we all make mistakes, but we hardly ever want to admit them. Now where you are going to be posting your questions is in the second shooter facebook group it's private, you must request to actually be in that group, and the post is pinned to the top. I'm gonna be asking, I said you have you've been in a sticky situation with the first or second shooter, you can include that, and then we might pull a couple, and we hope that we can actually dissecting all learn from each other mentioned, but they're all gonna be anonymous, so don't worry about having your identity revealed.

Class Description

If you're an established second shooter or looking to become one, this course focuses on ways to strengthen your portfolio, be proactive, improve shooting technique, establish the terms of shooting agreements, become a vital asset to the wedding day, and learn how to book jobs. In addition to lots of content, conversations, and fun, a live shoot will demonstrate the first/second shooter dynamic and a portfolio review.

Reviews

Barbara Wenz
 

I bought this course because I had to set things in place for next season and needed to train my second shooter(s). It was really helpful because it takes you to everything you possibly have to think of, when instructing and training with them. I was personally kind of shocked about some (others were superb) the images JD is delivering. I'm much more content with my second shooters, seeing what others deliver after 7 years of experience ;-) But this doesn't make the course any worse. I love it because it's really honest and they share a ton of experience.