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Starting from Scratch

Scott Robert Lim

Think Like a 10K Wedding Photographer

Scott Robert Lim

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19. Starting from Scratch

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Starting from Scratch

This subject is so huge I've only got twenty eight slides s o what I plan to do is just kind of go through what I feel is important and then I'm gonna be opening up to chat room and you guys during this next ah day this and tomorrow I want you to think of this as your own personal mentoring session this is just me and you I this subject is so huge I'm just going to get like this is only twenty eight slides on this on this position particular presentation just me and you I'm going to give my ah points that I feel that I very important and then ask questions iraq what you know what are some things that you're dealing with or whatever? Because most likely whatever you're dealing with there's a billion other people dealing with the same issue so there is no problem under the sun that's any different than any of us right? And so your journey is going to definitely help someone else's journey to okay so let's get on with it starting a wedding business wedding photography business what I love...

about the business of wedding photography is that there are no qualifications we talked about that before or limits on income what I hate about the business of wedding photography is there are no politician qualifications or limits on income and that's what makes it black is that there's no filtering system the industry hasn't created well you must master these skills first before you khun do this which usually keeps that price of that particular industry up high but it's just a free market experience with wedding photography which is awesome it's awesome if you're an entrepreneur and it's awesome if you're creative so not only should you be creative with your photography but learn to use their creativity with your business too okay I I quite frankly I don't even see myself as an artist because I would get sea and art all the time but I was always constantly even as a child I remember in fourth grade I made money going to my pond by getting two buckets full of toads coming to my house putting a little sign up and said toads for sale twenty five cents and I made twenty bucks that day I always remember me hustling making money and I share this story with you um because my dad said one thing to me when I was my dad passed away last january and he said one thing to me that helped me when I was going through some of the roughest time in my life and he wrote me this letter and he said scott um I don't worry about your two sisters because scott I know that you are ah hustler and he knew that somehow some way that I could make money um because he's seen it my entire life you know I started I school I started the entrepreneur's club right it was just it was in a club for anything but for us to make money so we would just take these all day suckers what you call those those suckers we would just take them carrying around and we just I would buy a wholesale and people would just buy people would use it to raise money for their you know, band or whatever we just raised money for ourselves right and I was the president people would try to shut me down but I'm like I thought I had all these different excuses that we did on so I just had a neck for doing that I think really honestly my creativity started on me finding out ways to make money and then it grew into photography but I was first a business person and so that's what I mean if you get anything out of this session use your creativity in all areas of your life with your business too. Okay cell it's just like I said before it's a six to eight billion dollar industry they're more competition in the heart of the climb okay and that's what if there's big dollars involved there's going to be a lot of competition and it's going to be extremely hard ride part time is easy like I said, ninety nine percent of the people I can make money with photography if they're doing it on a part time basis that is easy peasy there's like yeah, of course you can do it right, but full time is very, very difficult. I kind of think it's like to do it well, I it's almost like I feel like it's about one in a thousand, but maybe it's like one in one hundred I'm not sure but it's really, really hard. I kind of get a gauge of this because I mentor photographers all around the world, and so I kind of see these patterns and I've been doing this for I don't know how many years now eight years I've been teaching and that's what that is my goal besides teaching you how to do lighting and pose and all that my one passion is this I want to help people for those who feel like I've got that one in a thousand chance I've got that one in a hundred chance and I just feel it inside and I am dedicated to help those people to try to do the impossible and that's what my passion is that's what my real passion is so I love this business stuff because this business stuff really helps us to do that is to achieve our dreams, okay, basic, what are the basic report card mints for a photography business? Camera okay. Besides camera right license. What kind of license? Business license. Why do you need a business license? Uh, because you have to be registered to pay your taxes. Well, I just pay my taxes. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't have to be registered because the city wants to know who is and who isn't making money. It's kind of how they contact you. Right? Okay. Anything else any other? I just I was just going to give you some good to even go more basic than that. Okay, I want to see a razor hands I if you have a business card. Okay, good. V just because I talked to a lot of people in there trying to get into this and do this I go. Do you have a business card and more often that they don't. So the one thing is, get a business card, have what available because you're going to be asked, you know, for what? And at least have it ok website. Of course, you gotta have something where people khun concealer work on, of course, that's dealing with facebook it seems like facebook is kind of essential right now. It's the gram work rest this is where you need to get the word out and show people what you're doing where class maybe for blog's they have something like that. Blah guy, I believe, is very kind of important for a new business to get started because you can start to reveal who you are. Ah, blogged, you really need to show different sides of you, it's how I saw it, wass you know, people on the internet are interviewing me there there, checking me out. They want to know more about me. So this is my time to just share my whole life and one of my about one of my core values, how I think, and I'm getting them too buy into me a lot of times when a client hires me. They had been interviewing me for two years, and I just didn't know it. They were looking at my facebook. They were looking at my blog's, etcetera, etcetera. They were buying into me. So by the time that they got the, you know, that time was for them to choose a wedding photographer. They already had me in mind, but they had it been interviewing me for the last two years. And so when I meet with them it's, just like sign on the dotted line there, ready to go. Those were the best clients, but I did that I purposely now I don't know how far you want to go, but I purposely show my life and who I am I just feel like I'm an open book this is who I am and people can really identify with that authenticity, I think and and being real person okay, d b a does anybody doing? Know what that is doing? Business as and I don't know what state requirements or whatever, but this is the thing if I wanted to establish a business and it was scott's big boy photography, okay, if I were tohave, you write a check and say, can you write that out to scott's? Big boy photography? I would have to have a d b a, which is doing business as and it's an official document that says scott, robert lim living at so and so with whatever you know driver's license or social security number or whatever you feel out is, you know, scott's big boy photography. So then when you go to your bank, you can get a business checking account, they're going to need a d v s so u could open account and you can accept a cheque in that name. I know nowadays that actually receiving a cheque is getting more and more rare, but if you want, you don't have to, you can have him all right you know you're you're signing a cheque right for somebody and they said who will make it out? Tio make it out to scott limb or I could say I make it out to scott robert photography it puts me a little bit above I'm official. Uh, and the debate doesn't take much to do maybe a hundred bucks or something like that. You could do it online, probably. And then you can open up a checking account, and then you can call yourself whatever you want. Okay? Call yourself and receive a cheque in that way. And also it keeps your accounts seperated. You should never have all your your personal money, plus your business money being intermingled with that because it makes accounting very difficult. Okay, so I recommend having a separate checking account, get another business credit card and so that's what I do so every expense that that businesses on I just charge it on the card. So I have a personal card, and then I have business. Credit card s o I separated and so it's easy for you to organize your taxes when it's separated like that paypal account is pretty much vital nowadays. You gotta have that. So for easy accounting purposes, keep all your business transactions separate from your personal, so whatever you receive, income in then you have a separate accounts for that. Whatever you're paying out of, you have separate accounts for that just for your business. So when I go and do my taxes and I hand it to my accountant, all I show is my credit card and my bank statement and my paypal account that's it I don't do any receipts, I don't do anything else, and they can figure out everything from there because that's, all my business expenses are just shown within those accounts once you start mixing it with personal and this other business, and that it becomes a nightmare, and you can't figure out actually what your business is doing. And so therefore, when you mix it up like that, let's, say, if you have two jobs and you're mixing it up all in one account, you can't be accountable to what that income is bringing in, or how much you're spending for that business. And so then the lines get blurred, and then you will never figure out where you're at and that's really about businesses, knowing exactly where you're at. You should just at least know that you're losing money, but sometimes we're afraid to face the music, and we don't want to know, so we don't do it, but then in the end, we're going to go out of business, so keep that uh in mind now let's talk a little bit about business practices ok, when you first start out you might only charge like one hundred dollars for a wedding, right? So if you're charging one hundred dollars from when and guess what there's also low commitment if you want to get out of that that situation you go here's your hundred dollars deposit back and then you can go off on your merry way and do whatever okay and there's low expectation also at the same time they can expect a lot it's a it's it's only one hundred dollars if you want to cancel or something like that I say if you're gonna cancel event if you're going to go down that right at least have a substitution for them ready or if you're sick or something like that have a substitution some people put a non performance clause in there contract, so they gives them the ability to switch if they want to and what they do is they say this okay? If I can't perform or if I'm not going to perform at your wedding, I'm just going to give you back whatever your deposit is and we're just fine and daddy so what they do is they'll just take every single wedding they'll get a low deposit amount and if some other wedding comes up like in paris or some other wedding but the bride is it seems like it's better fit and it has potential for them to make more money with this person. They'll just give the deposit back to that client and then they'll take that other client okay, now that's certainly legal. I mean, you have the right to do that. You should know about it, but is it ethical? Do you wantto have your business built on something like that? Yes, you could do it it's in the closet, but do you want people talking about you? I actually have never done it, so whatever I committed to, I did, but I just want that to where if you want, if that was a pacific case, then that's what that non performance clause does for you and when I always feel is what comes around goes around. So what you put into it eventually, if you're trying to cut corners or your integrity is not right eventually it's going to come back and it's going to bite you in the butt, and so you just try to be I know we're all human and we all make mistakes and that and that's true, and if we do make a mistake, just own up to it and try to be a better person and move forward, but in general with business, what comes around goes around, so if you're looking to you know, cheat somebody or whatever, then it's going to come back and bite me so whenever I'm dealing with business it's why I wanted to be an equitable trade where everybody is gaining value and that's the overall picture that I put around everything okay? So let's wouldn't do about pricing and guidelines? One thing I do is in general, I'm just giving you a very generous like, if you have no idea where to start, I say, just take the cost let's say you're going to sell eight by ten print, whatever, how much does eight by ten print costs? Two twenty I think you could give an even lower a costco if you wanted, right whatever okay, like a bus aides cost two dollars, so then you would say two dollars times three dollars I'm charging six dollars wow, I've seen six times, then they meet three times the amount I'll guess I'll charge my eight by ten for six dollars, right? But then what you fail to recount for is the time that it took you to produce that print, the editing and all that kind of stuff, so you have to account for that and so that's, really, what your prices is the cost of the goods plus your time equals your price and so our lease service and so what I felt like if I could do this on the weekday, not on a weekend, and I could do this job any time of the week, or I could job it out, I would have a lower hourly rate for that particular service because a I can either job it out or it's on the weekday where I'm not is busy, I could charge lower at that point, and so I suggest entry level, maybe start at fifty dollars an hour to begin with if you're a little bit more experienced, one hundred dollars an hour, and if you're at the expert level, you could be two hundred to four hundred dollars an hour that you base your professional services on. Dude, I just see it like a doctor mad, what would they charged? Right? And if you're at that level, then hey, she should be charging that same amount to on dh, so I think that's just a guideline to start at now, what's your hourly wait on the weekend that's different because why that's where I make all my money? So I have to make the highest amount of money on the weekend. If I have to do it on the weekend, then I'm going to charge you mawr because I've only got fifty weekends to make all my cash. So if it's a service that I have to do at the weekend, then it's going to be more uh and it could be double, triple quadruple, so when I kind of did my business, if I could do it during the week, I would say, I just price it about one hundred dollars an hour that's what I'm gonna charge, okay, but then when it came to the weekend, I'm gonna be a four hundred dollars an hour because that's where I need to make my money uh oh, and so that's that's kind of in general how high priced myself, okay, my income was derived from weddings, mostly so that's where I had to gain my money. So if it's a weekend event it's a premium and if I'm not one thing I learned to is if I'm not making a lot of money on the weekend, I could've spent be spending it with my family, and so you don't want your family getting mad at you and that's. Another huge issue is sometimes when we do things for cheap, everybody wins, you win because you're getting business and you get to promote your business, the client wins because they're getting a great price who loses your family, loses every single type you don't want to lose that, ok? You don't want to lose that part so you keep doing things for cheap, you keep doing things for this yeah feeling good, my businesses going whatever you take all your weekends away and you're doing it for two hundred bucks or whatever it isthe right? And you're taking all that time away from the things that are really important to you? Yes, a lot of people that are trying to raise their price is a little bit do you think that saying we'll keep your weekly right what you're at and then for a test trial or to see if they can maybe just say, okay, add weekend prices and see if you can book those as a way for them to kind of shift upwards? Yeah, for sure I mean, hey, I always I always think charge more because you could always lower your price I can make it an excuse to charge a lower price for anything, and we see that on the internet black friday this they're always start coming up with some darn excuse oh, we got a special price because of booze or it's our anniversary there's an easy way to always lower your price so you can always just at least try you have nothing to lose, but because we are afraid of negotiating skills and we're not sure about it, then we shrink back, but that's what we need to do and that's that's another thing is a negotiating skills that we've gotta work onto okay number one mistake of most small businesses is not correctly accounting for the entire time it completes the job so you have to think about how law for example do you know how much time it takes you to do a wedding? Everything the engagement session, the album and all that you can't accurately price herself until you understand your time and then maybe you think about your time and you think about the price that you have to charge and you go no one's gonna pay me that price maybe you should job out then right? So you have to know these things so you be accountable so you can know what's a good business decision okay? What search services should I offer well on lee offer what you love doing okay uh that's really what I kind of subscribe to I keep very if not one job it out be overpriced that ridiculously so if you have to do it that at least you're making some cash and say honey, you know I got to do this but guess what? I'm taking you out next week and we're celebrating whatever, right? So reward yourself for doing something you hate doing okay? I want to have to do that a lot don't offer it just just don't simply just don't simply have it in there when you're first starting out, I strongly suggest limiting your services, especially if you have another full time job or you have other time commitments like family or whatever don't offer the moon because then that's more expectation on you just do the things start off small like for example, hey it's great to start off just doing a shoot deliver wedding, especially if you have a full time job because one we'll talk about this a little bit later, but once you started start to doom or services than a chute to deliver, guess what you're learning curve goes up because now you have to learn photoshopped do you want to learn photoshopped right now you have to learn all this now you have to learn about album design do you want to learn about album designed? How long is it going to take you to do that? Well, so the more services that you offer the learning curve for that gets higher and higher and higher and so you have to consider that when you're trying to manage your business full time job and family at the same time okay, this is a ten dollar book that changed my life I believe everybody should get this book it's a very popular book it's called the myth it's why most small businesses don't work and what you do about it, okay, get it and I read this book and the reason why I read this book a few years ago is the same is the reason why I am here right now okay so I was doing my business and I told you that I was a graphic designer before I was good at graphic design but guess what I hated doing I hated doing album design I didn't like it yes, I could do it very well but I didn't like it so I would do an album signed guess how long it would take me to do in albums I how long does it take you guys to do in albums tonight you design a couple hours a couple hours okay it's pre laid out just right okay it'd take me like four days I'm a freaking graphic designer I would feel like this is perfect it would take me an hour see pia oh uh black and white ocean I put it here dining here I'm less like micromanaging the hecate I mean I was because that's what it was it was felt that because I was a graphic designer it represented me and it had to be perfect but I hated it so I read this book and it said do what you love and when you do what you love that's when you're gonna find most success it's like oh this is ridiculous listen, I could job this cell for two hundred dollars why am I doing? I charged charged twenty four hundred dollars for an album I'm spending a whole week doing it, I could job it out for two hundred dollars, why don't I do it? So let's say, I'm doing twenty four weddings a year and it's taking me a week to do an album design? How many weeks did ijust gain twenty four weeks? I gained almost a half a year of my time but probably wasn't that much more, but if I simply jobbed it out, I can now figure out what I loved doing what do you think that wass even teaching? So at that point I said, I'm going to job out my album design and I'm going to concentrate, I'm going to try to train people with photography and I could take all that time and I do it, my love and then all of a sudden bam, my life started to get bigger and exploding do what you love if you don't love it job out it's going to bring you more success, you need to be in your happy zone all the time we artists, artists have we have a hard enough living just, you know, making ends meet, we should at least be happy about what we're doing, okay, we're not making a lot of money, then we should be happy but what do you want to do? You want to not make a lot of money and not be happy at the same time you might as well go back to your ninety five because you're making more money, right? So if you're going to go down this right, be happy, okay? Planning your income? This is very important on how you want to plan your income so you got now you decide maybe you're out there and you're going you know what I want to give this full time? I want a good scot inspired me. I know this is gonna be a long process, but I want to go for it. You've got to consider once you go full time here's, the expenses that you've got to consider that you gotta have first is the equipment, right? And we talked about that that could be very expect. Then you've got the computers right? Because then you're gonna be editing photos, you got to do it a lot faster you gotta upgrade and all this kind of stuff have you? I've gotta look cool. I gotta have ipad, I gotta have iphone, you know? Because all for talk offers have ipads or whatever that and also you got to get it right phone service now on dh then you've got to have software photoshopped light room the list goes on education you're not going to go anywhere without any education thank goodness for creative live, but still on top of that, you've gotto do that health insurance now, because now you're working for yourself, then you've got your otto, you gotta drive places right on how's that in auto insurance and internet in office lease, if you decide to have an office and offline storage clothes, all right, you gotta look like a five k ten k photographer memberships, memberships to this that and local guilds and things of that equipment insurance liability insurance, you know what that is, is that you're going into a place and let's say your tripod falls over and injure somebody, then you have to be responsible for that. So you have to take out a two million dollar policy for that then delivery bols albums, right? Let's say, you're doing twenty weddings and you've got twenty albums right? Twenty times three hundred that's, six thousand dollars right there and expense that you're gonna have just with the albums by itself the case let's add up all this stuff two thousand dollars for equipment ten thousand and that's it pine of on the low end, right that's on the low end, right that's on the low rent, maybe ten thousand dollars a year, okay, right computers that's on the low end all this stuff is on the low and software education let's say you go to you know workshops or whatever right health insurance all this stuff auto internet what I don't know office lease this is only a five hundred dollars a month rending in office only five day that's that's pretty low so I'm going conservative on that and all this stuff he added it what do you think this adds up to anybody have a guess yeah forty one thousand dollars a year right off the bat do you know that forty one thousand this saying everything guess what this is not covering marketing and promotional materials this is not even covering any marketing right here that's forty thousand dollars I mean maybe you could skimp on a few things of like okay, well I don't have to have a office lease I work at a home stuff like that but in general that's what's going to be okay so what I wanted to prove was this if you have an income goal of sixty thousand dollars a year okay in general most small businesses whatever you're expecting your expenses always fifty percent of whatever you receive in general okay, so if you wanted teo teo make sixty thousand dollars fifty but you know that your expenses is usually fifty percent off whatever you bring in, you need one hundred twenty thousand dollars in gross to make sixty thousand dollars okay uh which is what ten thousand dollars a month you've got a gross just to make sixty thousand dollars here. Okay, these are the numbers just like before I'm telling you reality this is reality okay? I'm gonna go give it to you upfront uh what does that mean? Oh, shoot that means I got to do three weddings a month thirty three hundred dollars or I could do two weddings a month at five thousand dollars okay, we'll get into that a little bit more but let's let's go in this this deeper because there's something called taxes and things that that you have to consider too okay and guess what? You can't be afraid because you gotta feed the beast hey, watch it grow that's what your business is it's a beast it's eating everything up and if you under nourish it it won't grow so this is the thing you go big or you go home okay? You have confidence that you're going to do this and you're going to make it happen or you just if you're not going to be willing to do that don't even start it at all most small businesses I mean up they'll probably probably laughing right now if you're going to start a small business I mean like two hundred thousand dollars is nothing it's literally nothing on most small businesses why do you think these people goto small business loans and get millions of dollars because but that's, what we have to if you can't feed the beast, it's not going to grow. If you under nurse it all the time, you're goingto I don't have money to do this. I don't have money to do that. I don't have money. You're going in with no confidence. You can't get to that next level, I guarantee you, you just go straight out of business.

Class Description

Ready to break into the business of high end wedding photography, but don't know how to begin establishing yourself as a luxury brand? Acclaimed photographer Scott Robert Lim will teach you the ins and outs of upscale photography, from marketing yourself to affluent clients to managing your business.

Scott will reveal his 25 "money shots," handing you his tried-and-true playbook for delighting every bride and groom. Not only will this workshop arm you with the mindset and skills you need to boost your prices (and your wallet), you'll also gain greater understanding of your distinct style and place on the luxury market.

Class Materials

bonus material with purchase

Master Flash Guide.pdf

Day 1 Segment 1 Best Job in the World.pdf

Day 1 Segment 2 Headshot & Posing the Groom.pdf

Day 1 Segment 3 Posing the Bride.pdf

Day 1 Segment 4 Posing the Bride & Groom.pdf

Day 2 Segment 1 Crazy Stupid Wedding Light.pdf

Day 2 Segment 2 Lighting Review Group & Dancefloor.pdf

Day 2 Segment 3 Wedding Workflow & Money Shots.pdf

Day 2 Segment 4 Starting from Scratch.pdf

Day 3 Segment 1 From 0 to 5K.pdf

Day 3 Segment 2 5K and Beyond.pdf

Day 3 Segment 3 Creating a Luxury Brand.pdf

Day 3 Segment 4 Seventeen Ideas to Change Your life.pdf

bonus material with enrollment

10 Percent Discount.pdf

Ratings and Reviews

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There are a few courses in CL that just keep giving - they exceed expectations - on numerous levels. This is one of those courses. For context: I am not a wedding photographer; i do not aspire to be a wedding photographer, but i saw a re-broadcast of this course and thought i have got to put the pennies together to order this as someone aspiring to be a better photographer. Here's why: The title: think like... In a lot of business and coaching approaches, the way to get better we're told is to be around people who are further ahead than we are - who are as close to where we aspire to be as we can get. Think Like a 10k wedding photographer is an invitation to get insight into how i'm already thinking in this headspace or where i'm not. is this course for you: If you're not already a 10k/wedding (or gig) photographer, there is likely something of value here for you. THE COURSE the course is v.grounded - from the ttitle again - that this is a course about photography as a business - and how to get to a place where one is thriving in that business. It's clear there are steps to getting up the ladder towards 10k, and Scott Robert puts all the milestones in to understand when to up prices, how to pace gigs, how to schedule weddings, how to start. But this course also excels at covering off what's included in creating an excellent wedding photography experience for a particular type of shoot: luxury, glamour, style. This is not documentary wedding photography - though the skills learned here can be applied in that space. Here - just take a look at the photos - people who want what Scott Robert Delivers want to be glamourous, exciting. And Scott makes the point - that looks "natural" but it's constructed, and so we have to know how to engage with people in order to construct these results. Thus the course offers Posing and Shooting techniques for photography - using natural and flash light using flash and video light posing men; posint women; posing groups how to get the checklist of wedding shots from dress to cake. And how to get the business. This course is worth the money just to get the tips for posing - you'll use them right away whether you're doing corporate shoots or what in the us is "seniors" portraits. THE KIT A particularly inspiring element of Scott's work is how minimalist the kit seems to be. No strobes; just speedlights. Lightstands and umbrellas. And small video light(s). Considering the shots he gets that seem so constructed, it's fantastic to see that they are constructed fundamentally with a set of modelling principles about the human form that work work and work. The BUSINESS As said the progressions for the business side to move from a starting photographer to a 10k photographer are clear. The detail is good. The motivation, unflagging. Participants who want to get there need to do the hours of practice. There are a couple people who have used Scott's methods to get from starter to 10k shooter so it's possible to see their path. - One who was a videographer mayn't be as inspiring because already pro etc, but it is cool to see a pro in video testify to the value even for him of scott's approach. LESSON the best advertisement is word of mouth you have to have the work to get that endorsement. Scott is the one person on CL where you'll hear him say he's not working on his social network particularly, but on the quality of his portfolio and referals within jobs to get the jobs - it's plainly working for him. For him, it's clear he wants to be regarded as the best photographer - not the best customer service that trumps adequate photography. THE INSTRUCTOR As other reviewers have commented, scott's attitude is amazing. He has a burning entrepreneurial spirit and a drive to be successful to support his family - which means getting to a point where he's shooting fewer weddings for more money in order to have more time with his people. Nice. No matter what area of photography you're in, there are insights to be gained from this course. Related Courses There are a lot of wedding photography courses on CL. The others i've seen are Wedding Cinematography, Doug Gordon Wedding Project, Master the Business of Photography (which turns out to be based in a wedding business) and Start and Grow your Photography Business (also based around weddings). These all have good things to teach. The biggest contrast to Scott's is Sal Cincotta's Business of Photography - in that course while there is a goal for his teams / shooters to be professional and get all their shots at the wedding and deal with the unexpected well - and there are great tips for how to cover your butt if there's conflict about being able to take a shot or who wants what shot - the focus seems to be way way WAY more on the sale in the studio and selling all kinds of prints. This is v.much the flip side of Scott's work where the focus is on getting the wedding (and why he actually likes 5k weddings more than 10k weddings - fascinating). For scott, it seems the 10k is about figuring out what the package is in terms of what's the difference between 10k vs 5k - and what you promise to deliver in that experience vs SC's focus on what are the materials produced that are worth that charge. And how the wedding can be used to hook people in for life - for portraits, baby photos, seniors etc. Kevin Kebota's class similarly has some nice stuff around bonuses vs discounts. I can see a very interesting panel discussion on pricing btwn sal, scott and kevin... For scott, it's not about shooting the lifecycle and getting money off prints: he does weddings - some engagement and boud. around that, but it's the Wedding that is the star - the quality and amazingness of the images - not the number and size of prints. Perhaps this is a weakness in the course not to go into that part of the deal - but i didn't find it so. What's great is that he has a dropdead line in the sand too: if you're doing X and you're not getting to Y by Z, do something else! fantastic. he even has a part time shooter plan. COol. He also knows how and what to outsource: so will you. He's also cool about how long it will to take to start making a real income. (and what's the difference between a 3k and 5k wedding?? you'll learn). Why would you buy this course? If you're a WEDDING photographer, shooting under 10k /wedding then this will be interesting - lots to learn about what's possible in a wedding context, and seeing examples about how "natural" can be constructed. If you're just considering weddings and want to understand what it would take to make a living or part time living as a photographer here IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT POSING -- there are lots of CL classes involving posing and philosophies of posing so why this one? 1: Robert is v.good. that simple: the way he's translated everything he's learned about posing into heuristics - in other words rather than memorising poses, you learn heuristics about what to set up for any shot to get more from it. Fantastic. 2. Posing in the context of a live wedding under pressure is a litle different than in studio 3. We see posing for different lighting conditions/contexts for an event - in this case a wedding. Powerful stuff. What's also cool in the demos is that you don't have him doing tethered shooting, but focusing on teaching posing and having the class learn it. That's cool too. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN LIGHTING - and not spend much on lighting kit and get great results this course is inspiring. INSTRUCTOR - v.engaging - doesn't suffer fools, i'm betting; expects committment to do the work to get to aspirations. EXCELLENT. heck i watched most of this with a friend who just found Scott so compelling, in particular how the posing section worked, it was just that engaging. hope that helps. good luck on your mission.

Kerry Sleeman

This is the best Creative Live Course I have purchased, well worth the Money! Scott is fantastic and has a lot of great advice! Even though I am not a wedding photographer I am a Boudoir Photographer and has given me a lot of ideas to help my business. ! Thanks Creative Live Amazing!