Senior Session Q&A
They're certain images that, you know, the mothers are going like the parents I gravitate towards versus the senior yeah, I mean, everything, I just wouldn't you know, I can definitely speak to that again because I'm definitely looking at poses that will attract both I'm looking for some smiles for the mom I'm looking for may be more non smiley poses for the girls because I know they tend to like that more I'm trying to give a variety so that both people are happy remember earlier, when we showed the chute that we did the other day at the beach and we had amy laying down with her feet up that posten toe always go over well with mom, so I will pick that one earlier on the roof when we we had kindred do like more of a model lee pose like this that is probably going to be something maybe maybe the senior would like more, and I don't always pull out that pose, mind you again, it goes back to no one that client I knew kindred could pull it off because she's, a dancer and she's used to movin...
g and her outfit sort of spoke to that sort of style, so I did that, but I don't always do that you gotta read the client also, if maybe I made somebody do that pose but I saw that she was a little bit awkward in it. I may not have said that on the shoot because I don't want her to feel bad, but I probably didn't choose that when I was calling, you know, domain. So it's all about reading your client's remember in the session remember what? Remember what they kind of got into a little bit more I'm going to pull those but also just pulling a variety so that you can get something both mom and daughter like. So make sure you get some smiley pose is make sure you get some non smiley pose is make sure you get, you know everything, a little bit of everything, a little bit of variety so that you are attracted, but a good rule of thumb for my parents, they generally are going to love their daughter smiling. Yeah, so I know that the mom, you probably don't like that a lot. Anything else, if this is going to be what you thought she would like more or the mom and like more, I think they probably both would like this image. I think it kind of gives a little bit of an edge, which I think might be interesting to kendra, but I think she's smiling, she looks happy s o I think that's going to be, you know, the mom's going like it there's not a lot of images that mom's absolutely hate and daughters absolutely love there might be images that they have a tiny bit of difference of opinion on the mom's favorite might not be the daughter's favorite, but for the most part they like you know, they like the same images it's just whether or not the mom would probably pick a smile over a non smile or you know they do want to remember there little girl you know today like some moms have a problem with the fact that they're there child is growing up I can't even imagine when mine gets to be that age but you know, so remember that and try to give them supposes that maybe don't look as mature but obviously a seventeen year old wants to be twenty one I'm sure so maybe that I mean you don't really want him to look that way, but maybe you may may do a few that kind of make them feel like they are, you know specific that he would do to like change that's where you're opposing her she doesn't look twenty two like, is there specific? Well, I think that a lot of things have to do with, you know, like if she's dressed in a way that might be a little more mature, maybe you make sure she's laughing in that photo or you know things like that can kind of counter act one thing over the other, and and that will help you keep them there age andi again, like I say, not throwing somebody in some top model pose that they're not comfortable with because that's going to make them look older and more high fashion, which is really not what this is, isn't it supposed to be their personality, so make sure you stick to poses that kind of really represents that seniors personality as well, but I do think if they have on something that's, a little more glam, maybe you cut that with a lot of laughter, you know, have fun and do that kind of thing, so that way it counter acts not looking, too. Uh, you don't want to look in to sexy, you don't want to look into old just keep that mine, and, you know, if you shoot it and you get back in here like, oh, if you have that reaction, don't pick it, because I promise you they will. I will tell you one time I had a senior and I had the girl just kind of prop up on some steps like this, and she wasn't smiling, but there was nothing sexy about it to me that the mom made a comment like she wasn't smiling and I think the mom just wasn't used to seeing her smile so I always keep that in mind now because I'm like oh okay, I never would have thought that but let me make sure that I you know, give her give gives them smiley photos for moms that maybe aren't used to seeing their daughter you know, with a more sultry look I guess you will that's not really what I was going for, but that was her reaction to it s so keep that in mind you know moms love a smile that you can't you can't go wrong with a genuine smile you can't go wrong with a genuine emotion so that's a good quote cale go wrong we get out a while and you can't go wrong with a genuine emotion that's right like that leslie size thoughts up here can I know I know it's a curly here that's what it is yeah, it is all up there and it's just going to come out and inspiring quotes. All right, let's take another question and this one is from lindsey wilson photo and it's got a couple of votes on it as well if a poser hope it doesn't work out and you call out those images do you ever have clients asking you like, what about that pose? What about that image it happened and if so what he said it has happened in the past I haven't had it happened any time recently in fact the time that six out of my head is not even a senior photo shoot but I'll tell you just because it it relates to that subject but I had a family who wanted me to pose them around a tree and I hate posing around the tree that they wanted each daughter to peek out from the tree one on the side and one on this side now like oh lord please don't let me do that and so I tried on the session to say oh you know the lighting's really not good right here it would look less because the tree has speckle lighting and it's just all dappled and it's just oh please just take it just take it take it just take it all right so I finally had to give in because they were just insistent on it so I took this awful picture on dh I got at home and I was like I'm not editing that thing I refused to edit that thing is awful and never would oppose them that way on dh so I didn't and then sure enough mom remember that tree pose and where was it and I was like well it really just didn't turn out you know again I tried it because you wanted me to but as I predicted it did have some bad lighting and you know, the girls had shadows all over their faces and there really wasn't anything I could do to change that so it just really took some convincing I think she still wanted it but I just was like it just didn't work out so you know you khun again you're the professional you are you I have to tell them reasons and be able to explain why I mean don't ever say why just like that one I mean in a mane like you can't do that, you have to give them a professional reason why it may not have worked andi just say, you know really like some others better I say to them I picked the best of the best so they know that, you know, maybe there wasn't anything wrong with the one they're thinking of there just was somebody that were better on and usually they're okay with that answer you are in charge if you set it up the way I have it where you edit them and only showed them the ones you edit, they are trusting you to pick out the best of the best and so I'll say something like well, you know, maybe your eyes were closed or I called you in between a smile and you had, you know, because you do you catch them and half closed you know pilot look or you know when you're taking photos so s o I just explain it that way and again it goes back to building that relationship in that trust and and once you give them a good reason they they believe you and they understand and they usually move on if you have somebody insistent on it then you may have to judge whether you're going to give in to them or not uh maybe you don't post that one or anything like that if it's not when you personally think is your best work for whatever reason you didn't really want to but maybe if they are insistent you gotta weigh that climes in prose and kinds of making the client happy vs you know your artistic eye but for the most part of you explain to them that you're you know you're the photographer you you know you've done this you know what looks good what doesn't so you've picked out the best of the best they're usually given that awesome thank you would you do anything more to this image I mean with this yeah this's the way I do it I know that's not a ton of steps yeah there's plenty you could do depending on your style but this is this is the way I do it this is my style this is what I like again like a bright image I like the color coming through to me she pops that's that yeah, this is what I would do it again though it's your styles that maybe you'd want it a little bit darker little you know less exposed or whatever that's totally up to you but that's exactly what I would do with that image do you have any tips or secrets that you use get them to dio and non smiling face like when I ask you do they deadeye or they are like trying so hard not to smile that then you just skip that with that girl yeah I mean definitely girls some girls do it better than others I don't do it well myself so I get it I I can't imagine not smiling but you want to get some non smiley's right again reading your client is very important because some girls have a really cute closed mouth smile but not everybody does so pay attention to that and if you see it's not working maybe you do something a little bit different but for non smiley pose I always ask them if they ever watch america's next top model and almost every one of them says yes and so they almost all know what surmising is. I personally can't semis but they know what I'm talking about when I say it so I say you know we want you not to smile with your mouth think about something happy so that your eyes are a little brighter andi I also tell them to part their lips just a tiny bit because sometimes you'll get girls that when they're not smiling they'll purse their lips really hard together and then it looks like they're angry so if they part them just ever so slightly and breathing through their mouths I mean watch america's next top model terraces you know, nothing like that's what she tells you to do so you can use that and say because they know they will know that immediately when you say that so steel there might not be my favorite favorite shots because maybe she does I mean, some people just in general look better smiling, you know, domain and some people can pull off a nine smiley look but that's up to you to just work with them you might have them or race I always say erase your face you can tell I have kids and they laugh at me but it just a race your face let's try it again you know domain because sometimes they get stuck in that look and you just erase your face will start again maybe you go to a moving or smiling pose and come back to it so it's more fresh also I will tell you that if you have them close their eyes and then counted off and look up at you that immediate look is better because once they start thinking about it they start doing something weird with, you know, main like, oh, I'm supposed to do this or I'm supposed to do that faced or whatever you know so counted off have them open their eyes to stay you know open your eyes glance up at me and we'll count it off don't smile just open your eyes and catch that first reaction so there's a couple of things you can do yeah photo shoot do you keep all that s what I do is after I get it now I have the the raw images in a folder I now had the edited images as j pegs in a folder and they're all under her name so there's a big folder call kendra and then all these little folder under here and then I take them and move them tio my hard drive external hard drive so that I have a copy of it you have to external hard drives now that my computer crashed, it might be a good idea to move them in two places, so in case your external hard drive crashes that I move them off my computer at that point because you really don't need all this raw five files on there, but what if you had to go back for some reason and get them truth be told I had I just told you my computer crashed and there's a session that I never moved. The edited images to my hard drive. But I have the raw one, so I could re edit them if I had to. So that that's that's a good reason to keep them. But maybe. Don't keep on keep on your computer, because you don't really need to take up that much memory.